Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-09 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, John Hardin wrote: > NOW you're getting somewhere. I saw that info on their site. The IP > returned has the last octet set according to the tier. So maybe the > issue here, which we should push into the SA developers hands is

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, John Hardin wrote: NOW you're getting somewhere. I saw that info on their site. The IP returned has the last octet set according to the tier. So maybe the issue here, which we should push into the SA developers hands is that the current Habeas rules only look for a binary

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-09 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: It is my understanding after reviewing the Habeas material that Habeas has defined multiple "tiers" of "permission-based" "bulk-email-advertising" so that "bulk-email-advertising" senders are classified

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Yet Another Ninja wrote: Save your bullets. Habeas is history... it's been swallowed and the "new" mothership will be in SA 3.3.0 Cryptic, but raising hopes. Could you please explain this remark? - C

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > So, technically if I hire someone to kill you, I'm technically not > guilty of murder since I didn't pull the trigger? Technically speaking. Technically speaking, your analogy is bad, but I'll work with it. I see no point in beating that analogy

Re: [sa] RE: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-08 Thread Mike Cardwell
On 08/12/2009 16:35, Charles Gregory wrote: > Sadly, with such a diverse user base, I cannot use a single Bayes DB > that would work well for all our users. My SMTP gateway (Mail Avenger) > works best if mail is scanned for *all* recipients, and so it is not > possible to use individual per-user B

Re: [sa] RE: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-08 Thread Charles Gregory
On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, R-Elists wrote: Nonsense. I had to score this list -2000 just to keep it from scoring so darn high that it was hitting the 'automatic' rejection at the SMTP gate before any of my whitelists could function. Charles, you would be better off properly whitelisting the SA mailing

RE: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-05 Thread R-Elists
forgive me for asking this in the middle of this thread yet in all seriousness... Q) what is the inverse of Spamassassin ? i am quite certain that those in the know have spent a lot of time thinking about HAM signatures. maybe that isnt quite the right way to say the question... so, what do yo

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-04 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Charles Gregory wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: That wouldn't ever happen because the whole point of the CAN-SPAM act is to allow the spammers to send out the "first" mail. Direct e-mail mailers just setup fake company after fake company, so they can repeatedly spam the "fi

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-04 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: That wouldn't ever happen because the whole point of the CAN-SPAM act is to allow the spammers to send out the "first" mail. Direct e-mail mailers just setup fake company after fake company, so they can repeatedly spam the "first time" over and over

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-04 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Charles Gregory wrote: On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, John Hardin wrote: Both would have to be done any time a new address was added to the mailing list. And there would have to be some watchdog ensuring the MSP doesn't relax the policy over time. Uh-huh. For a -4 in my mail filte

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-04 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, John Hardin wrote: Both would have to be done any time a new address was added to the mailing list. And there would have to be some watchdog ensuring the MSP doesn't relax the policy over time. Uh-huh. For a -4 in my mail filter? They oughta! :) It's a great idea. The prob

Re: [sa] Re: Suggestion for use by ANY whitelist service....

2009-12-04 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote: . the default for a spam filter should not be to give any weight to a white list unless the user modifies the config themselves specifically. It can be seen to be suspicious and offering a pecuniary advantage to those involved and using it.