Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-02 Thread jdow
From: "jdow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One is from my local congressman. I figure if I include his junk phone calls in my phone spam complaints (to him) the email should also be spam. I doubt I'll white list him. He and I don't agree much. I am much too libertarian for his Republican stance. If he'd s

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-02 Thread jdow
From: "Michael Monnerie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 67 SPAMs are 5-9.99 points, OK, for a record with regards to spam and ham I have had four come through between 5 and 7.99 points out of about 1600 messages in my personal mail buckets. Two were from "always-on" which I signed up for when Powell the

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-02 Thread Bart Schaefer
Incidentally, the FAQ answer for "HowScoresAreAssigned" on the SA wiki is out of date.

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Montag, 1. Mai 2006 17:51 Matt Kettler wrote: > Looking at my own current real-world maillogs, BAYES_99 matched 6,643 > messages last week. Of those, only 24 had total scores under 9.0. > (with BAYES_99 scoring 3.5, it would take a message with a total > score of less than 8.5 to drop below the

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-01 Thread jdow
From: "Bowie Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matt Kettler wrote: Bowie Bailey wrote: > > The Bayes rules are not individual unrelated rules. Bayes is a > series of rules indicating a range of probability that a message is > spam or ham. You can argue over the exact scoring, but I can't see > an

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-01 Thread jdow
From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bowie Bailey wrote: Matt Kettler wrote: It is perfectly reasonable to assume that most of the mail matching BAYES_99 also matches a large number of the stock spam rules that SA comes with. These highly-obvious mails are the model after which most SA rul

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-01 Thread jdow
From: "Bowie Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jdow wrote: From: "Bart Schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In SA 3.1.0 they did force-fix the scores of the bayes rules, > > particularly the high-end. The perceptron assigned BAYES_99 a > > score

RE: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-01 Thread Bowie Bailey
Matt Kettler wrote: > Bowie Bailey wrote: > > > > The Bayes rules are not individual unrelated rules. Bayes is a > > series of rules indicating a range of probability that a message is > > spam or ham. You can argue over the exact scoring, but I can't see > > any reason to score BAYES_99 lower t

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-01 Thread Matt Kettler
Bowie Bailey wrote: > Matt Kettler wrote: >> It is perfectly reasonable to assume that most of the mail matching >> BAYES_99 also matches a large number of the stock spam rules that SA >> comes with. These highly-obvious mails are the model after which >> most SA rules are made in the first place.

RE: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-05-01 Thread Bowie Bailey
jdow wrote: > From: "Bart Schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In SA 3.1.0 they did force-fix the scores of the bayes rules, > > > particularly the high-end. The perceptron assigned BAYES_99 a > > > score of 1.89 in the 3.1.0 mass-check ru

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-04-29 Thread jdow
From: "Bart Schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In SA 3.1.0 they did force-fix the scores of the bayes rules, particularly the high-end. The perceptron assigned BAYES_99 a score of 1.89 in the 3.1.0 mass-check run. The devs jacked it up to 3.50. Th

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-04-29 Thread jdow
From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bart Schaefer wrote: On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Besides.. If you want to make a mathematics based argument against me, start by explaining how the perceptron mathematically is flawed. It assigned the original score based on real

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-04-29 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In SA 3.1.0 they did force-fix the scores of the bayes rules, particularly the high-end. The perceptron assigned BAYES_99 a score of 1.89 in the 3.1.0 mass-check run. The devs jacked it up to 3.50. That does make me wonder if: 1) When BAYE

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-04-29 Thread Matt Kettler
Bart Schaefer wrote: > On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Besides.. If you want to make a mathematics based argument against me, >> start by explaining how the perceptron mathematically is flawed. It >> assigned the original score based on real-world data. > > Did it? I thought