Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-08-02 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
On Monday 01 August 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: On 8/1/11 8:30 AM, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: Are you really serious? No, Thanks, that confirms it. Sorry, but this discussion is pointless. Uli ** Domino Laser

AW: Read-Only file systems (Was: Worst Error Message?)

2011-08-02 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, Von: Stefan Sperling [mailto:s...@elego.de] It is written in SVN book that repository that uses FSFS should work on read-only media. Is it something that was broken recently? - see Usable from a read-only mount row in the table in the middle of

Re: Read-Only file systems (Was: Worst Error Message?)

2011-08-02 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 10:09:06AM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Bert stsp: (re: users@) read only operations on a fsfs repository don't obtain a lock (and don't need write access). Only commit and revprop changes should need write access. (I don't know what is required for bdb). We don't

Re: Read-Only file systems (Was: Worst Error Message?)

2011-08-02 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Stefan Sperling wrote on Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 10:22:23 +0200: On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 10:09:06AM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Bert stsp: (re: users@) read only operations on a fsfs repository don't obtain a lock (and don't need write access). Only commit and revprop changes should need

Re: Read-Only file systems (Was: Worst Error Message?)

2011-08-02 Thread Daniel Shahaf
Daniel Shahaf wrote on Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 13:25:18 +0300: Though, there is a standing backport for svn_fs_verify() which would break that... I'll follow up on dev@. Actually, a quick test tells me that it's possible to read an SQLite database that lives on a read-only mount. Naturally, that

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-08-01 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
On Saturday 30 July 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: From a security perspective it is a bad idea to tell a network client that is doing something you have explicitly denied any of the details of how the system is configured to prevent it. Working correctly is usually a yes or no question and this

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-08-01 Thread Les Mikesell
On 8/1/11 2:47 AM, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: On Saturday 30 July 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: From a security perspective it is a bad idea to tell a network client that is doing something you have explicitly denied any of the details of how the system is configured to prevent it. Working correctly

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-08-01 Thread Ulrich Eckhardt
On Monday 01 August 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: On 8/1/11 2:47 AM, Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: On Saturday 30 July 2011, Les Mikesell wrote: From a security perspective it is a bad idea to tell a network client that is doing something you have explicitly denied any of the details of how the system

AW: Read-Only file systems (Was: Worst Error Message?)

2011-08-01 Thread Markus Schaber
Hi, Von: Stefan Sperling [mailto:s...@elego.de] On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:12:41PM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Can subversion cope with repositories and working-copies on read-only media? Maybe some Live-Demo CD bringing an example SVN repository? No. So subversion needs write

Re: Read-Only file systems (Was: Worst Error Message?)

2011-08-01 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:38:46PM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Hi, Von: Stefan Sperling [mailto:s...@elego.de] On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:12:41PM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Can subversion cope with repositories and working-copies on read-only media? Maybe some Live-Demo CD

Re: Read-Only file systems (Was: Worst Error Message?)

2011-08-01 Thread Konstantin Kolinko
2011/8/1 Stefan Sperling s...@elego.de: On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:38:46PM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Hi, Von: Stefan Sperling [mailto:s...@elego.de] On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:12:41PM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Can subversion cope with repositories and working-copies on read-only

Re: Read-Only file systems (Was: Worst Error Message?)

2011-08-01 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 10:16:53PM +0400, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: 2011/8/1 Stefan Sperling s...@elego.de: On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:38:46PM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote: Hi, Von: Stefan Sperling [mailto:s...@elego.de] On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:12:41PM +0200, Markus Schaber wrote:

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-31 Thread Rafael Heise
In my opinion, as a network administrator, I don't want to show to my end users why the user shouldn't commit anything in the repository. Because as Les Mikesell said, the message could show someway to workaround and allow the user to commit something without permission. I think the current

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-31 Thread Jeremy Pereira
On 30 Jul 2011, at 20:10, Les Mikesell wrote: On 7/30/11 1:14 PM, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 30 Jul 2011, at 18:17, Les Mikesell wrote: '403 forbidden' makes reasonable sense for a client-side message to someone who shouldn't know internal details anyway. Seriously? You think an

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-31 Thread Jeremy Pereira
On 31 Jul 2011, at 17:46, Rafael Heise wrote: In my opinion, as a network administrator, I don't want to show to my end users why the user shouldn't commit anything in the repository. In my opinion as a Subversion user, that sucks. I think I'll switch to Mercurial. Oh, no wait, the

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On 7/31/11 3:24 PM, Jeremy Pereira wrote: Telling somebody that they only have read access to a repository is not giving them a hint about how to work around it. 403 forbidden is not telling somebody that they only have read access to a repository (or part of a repository). It's telling

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-31 Thread Rafael Heise
Ok. I'll try to explain how HTTP protocols works. There are some protocols to make the internet work properly, and we call it HTTP PROTOCOL. So, when you are working with HTTP protocol you HAVE TO obey this protocols, so ANY client can read it and the client will understant it. As you can read on

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-31 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Rafael Heise rmhe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I'll try to explain how HTTP protocols works. There are some protocols to make the internet work properly, and we call it HTTP PROTOCOL. So, when you are working with HTTP protocol you HAVE TO obey this protocols, so

Worst Error Message?

2011-07-30 Thread Andy Canfield
for '/svn/Mummy/!svn/act/991016fc-bbae-4269-a468-b8e3d9bce7b5' Late that night, it finally hit to me: I had read access to the repository, but not write access. My procedure for creating a repository did not grant write access to the creator. That is close to the worst error message I

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-30 Thread Robert P. J. Day
. That is close to the worst error message I have ever seen. then you've never seen a problem of type 2094: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL2blQ2PlU4 rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-30 Thread Stefan Sperling
access to the creator. That is close to the worst error message I have ever seen. Yeah, that's one is bad. I gave a talk about this topic on svnday in May this year: http://www.elegosoft.com/files/svn-day-berlin-2011_sperling_subversion-error-messages-demystified.pdf

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-30 Thread Andy Canfield
for creating a repository did not grant write access to the creator. That is close to the worst error message I have ever seen. Yeah, that's one is bad. I gave a talk about this topic on svnday in May this year: http://www.elegosoft.com/files/svn-day-berlin-2011_sperling_subversion-error-messages

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-30 Thread Les Mikesell
it. That is close to the worst error message I have ever seen. You haven't been doing complicated things with a computer long, I take it. There are plenty of worse messages on the order of can't happen'. '403 forbidden' makes reasonable sense for a client-side message to someone who shouldn't

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-30 Thread Jeremy Pereira
On 30 Jul 2011, at 18:17, Les Mikesell wrote: '403 forbidden' makes reasonable sense for a client-side message to someone who shouldn't know internal details anyway. Seriously? You think an HTTP response code (which *is* an internal detail) is an acceptable error message. You think it

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-30 Thread Les Mikesell
On 7/30/11 1:14 PM, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 30 Jul 2011, at 18:17, Les Mikesell wrote: '403 forbidden' makes reasonable sense for a client-side message to someone who shouldn't know internal details anyway. Seriously? You think an HTTP response code (which *is* an internal detail) is

Re: Worst Error Message?

2011-07-30 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Les Mikesell lesmikes...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/30/11 1:14 PM, Jeremy Pereira wrote: On 30 Jul 2011, at 18:17, Les Mikesell wrote: '403 forbidden' makes reasonable sense for a client-side message to someone who shouldn't know internal details anyway.