[USMA:46460] Re: Too entrenched to change

2010-01-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Sunday 24 January 2010 19:55:27 Pat Naughtin wrote: Dear All, I am beginning to make a collection of all those old pre-metric measuring words that are described as: Too entrenched to change. Several of your examples are not too entrenched to change, but I would include the mile *in the

[USMA:46461] Re: Light Bulb Labels

2010-01-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:33:08 Stanislav Jakuba wrote: I noticed the proposed label for lightbulbs (M.T., 2010 Jan-Feb, pg 5). The last line in the frame reads: Energy Used ...60 watts. I brought up the article in the Federal Register, only to find that the deadline was last month.

[USMA:46462] Re: Too entrenched to change

2010-01-25 Thread John M. Steele
Some are so entrenched that the SI Brochure accepts them: *Astronomical unit *Not sure what you mean by atomic energy units, but the electron volt is accepted *The kilowatt hour is debatable but it is a compound unit made from accepted units.  NIST SP811 accepts it. You should also include

[USMA:46463] Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread James R. Frysinger
I've experienced a small, potential success. I searched for data yesterday on various kinds of wood to see which would put out the most heat in the woodburning stove in the basement of our new house. I came across a number of pages published by government and by private concerns. In one case

[USMA:46464] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread James R. Frysinger
Good article, Stan. This agrees with my premise that mass is a better basis for buying wood (once moisture is accounted for) than is volume (e.g., the cord). The exception to that is that volume is easier for folks to measure. Who has a scale at home that is capable of checking the mass of

[USMA:46465] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread John M. Steele
Jim, Check out this link at the bottom of the page you cited: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wood-biomass-combustion-heat-d_440.html In essence, they have already done this.  In fact all the figures I checked in the table (a sample of high, low, and mid values) fall so close to 6400 BTU/lb

[USMA:46466] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread mechtly
What is Tom's best? Will he produce a table in J/kg (or SI multiples)for various woods? We too use a wood stove, in our Family Room. Gene. Original message Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:08:55 -0600 From: James R. Frysinger j...@metricmethods.com Subject: [USMA:46463] Wood and

[USMA:46467] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread mechtly
Jim and Stan, We use a Canadian air-tight wood stove which burns efficiently and almost smoke free by using secondary combustion of flue gases. Over the years I have compiled heat values of seasoned (dry) woods (in J/kg). If you are interested, I'll send some numbers. Gene. Original

[USMA:46468] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread James R. Frysinger
Thanks; I had not seen that page of theirs. Note that the energy content of a given volume decreases only a little with moisture content. Part of that is due to the swelling of wood as it absorbs water and part of that is due to the energy required to drive off that moisture before it burns.

[USMA:46469] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread James R. Frysinger
What I've got so far is a promise, Gene, not the results of his promised efforts. Basically, for well seasoned wood, all wood types have about the same energy content in a given mass. That value is 16.3 MJ/kg for 20 % moisture content, I understand from the link that John Steele provided.

[USMA:46471] EU Metric Directives

2010-01-25 Thread mechtly
Ezra, Although member states are not *required* to demand that supplementary indications be correct (accurate within any certain limit). the EU Directives no not prohibit member states from rejecting products bearing secondary labels which fail to meet reasonable standards of accuracy. Gene.

[USMA:46472] Help me Change America

2010-01-25 Thread Robert H. Bushnell
I wanted to see if I could get your quick help. Change.org recently launched the 2010 Ideas for Change in America competition. One idea is titled: Change to metric units. Stop using inch-pound units.. I thought you might be interested in getting involved and recommend you check it out.

[USMA:46473] Re: Help me Change America

2010-01-25 Thread mechtly
I voted, Bob, assuming my newly created password allowed my registration? Gene. Original message Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:27:36 -0700 From: Robert H. Bushnell roberthb...@comcast.net Subject: [USMA:46472] Help me Change America To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu I

[USMA:46470] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread James R. Frysinger
Sure. Send 'em on! Jim mech...@illinois.edu wrote: Jim and Stan, We use a Canadian air-tight wood stove which burns efficiently and almost smoke free by using secondary combustion of flue gases. Over the years I have compiled heat values of seasoned (dry) woods (in J/kg). If you are

[USMA:46474] RE: Too entrenched to change

2010-01-25 Thread Brij Bhushan Vij
Pat, sir: With the adoption of 'Metre' replacing yard, Why was Nautical Mile =1852m, not repalced with a parallel terminology - the Nautical Kilometre! Please see: http://www.brijvij.com/bbv_shelving-NMile.pdf Regards, Brij Bhushan Vij (MJD 55221)/1726+D-036W05-01 (G. Monday, 2010 January

[USMA:46475] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread John Frewen-Lord
Canadians know what it's like to be cold. John F-L - Original Message - From: James R. Frysinger j...@metricmethods.com To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 6:22 PM Subject: [USMA:46470] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values Sure. Send

[USMA:46476] Re: Help me Change America

2010-01-25 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Robert, Great idea – well done! It seems that it only needs another few votes to rise in the rankings. Go to http://www.change.org/ideas/view/change_to_metric_units_stop_using_inch-pound_units Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, that you can obtain

[USMA:46477] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread Pat Naughtin
On 2010/01/26, at 05:15 , James R. Frysinger wrote: The old French unit, stere, was used to mean a cubic meter. There are about 3.6 m3 (steres) in a cord. Of course, measuring wood by the cubic meter would suffer the same stacking effects that measuring it by the cord would. Dear Jim and

[USMA:46478] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values

2010-01-25 Thread James R. Frysinger
Here in Tennessee they're called pickup trucks and they don't tip. They come in all sizes. But no matter. Whatever the size, a truckload is called a rick, an old name for a face cord. I get mine at a much lower price ... from the woods surrounding my house. Jim Pat Naughtin wrote: On

[USMA:46479] 1974 July 1

2010-01-25 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear All, I have just found this on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoEgJzNf8b4 You may recall that the changing of the signs took place on a single day (1974 July 1). From memory this was a Sunday. Note that there was no attempt to use dual signs and there was no requirement to do

[USMA:46480] Re: EU Metric Directives

2010-01-25 Thread ezra . steinberg
True enough, Gene. The critical point was that member states are much more likely to ignore the issue than do anything about it. (Unless you have concrete evidence to the contrary ... ) Ezra - Original Message - From: mech...@illinois.edu To: U.S. Metric Association

[USMA:46481] Re: EU Metric Directives

2010-01-25 Thread mechtly
I'm looking for the actual practice in the EU member states over the next year or two for evidence. Original message Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:03:51 + (UTC) From: ezra.steinb...@comcast.net Subject: [USMA:46480] Re: EU Metric Directives To: U.S. Metric Association

[USMA:46482] Re: Too entrenched to change

2010-01-25 Thread Pierre Abbat
I just got back from work, so I have some time to think about these. On Sunday 24 January 2010 19:55:27 Pat Naughtin wrote: astronomical units, The AU is a natural unit, so I'd accept that it's too entrenched to change. atomic energy units, I don't know that unit, but there is the atomic

[USMA:46483] Re: EU Metric Directives

2010-01-25 Thread ezra . steinberg
Put me down for the Don't hold your breath category. I think I've become a curmudgeonly jaded pessimist in my old age ;-) - Original Message - From: mech...@illinois.edu To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 7:34:45 PM GMT -08:00

[USMA:46484] Article by Howard Ressell

2010-01-25 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear All, This is an interesting article: http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20100122/LOCAL17/1220353/The-Metric-System--Why-is-U.S.-so-far-behind Cheers, Pat Naughtin Author of the ebook, Metrication Leaders Guide, that you can obtain from

[USMA:46485] Google presentation

2010-01-25 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear All, I note that this talk (at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgtsSM7vN0Mfeature=youtube_gdata ) has now had more than 1200 viewers. This is a little embarrassing as it is one of the worst presentations I have made on metrication. You will notice that I had influenza and a cold in

[USMA:46486] Re: EU Metric Directives

2010-01-25 Thread Martin Vlietstra
The impetus is unlikely to come from an EU member state government, more likely to be an individual or a small local business that lodges an official complaint. -Original Message- From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of mech...@illinois.edu Sent: 26

[USMA:46487] I-19 sign replacement

2010-01-25 Thread Paul
www.azdot.gov/i19signage http://tucsoncitizen.com/hot-off-the-press-release/2010/01/18/public-input-sought-for-new-signs-on-interstate-19/