Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-20 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi Viktor, That works for me. I'll wait for the Chairs to ask for a new version before publishing. Best regards, Chris On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 12:39 PM Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 07:25:51AM -0400, Chris Lonvick wrote: > > > I think that the changes to Sections 4 and 5 sho

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-19 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 07:25:51AM -0400, Chris Lonvick wrote: > I think that the changes to Sections 4 and 5 should be limited to > replacing "MUST NOT" with "SHOULD NOT". That will provide clear > guidance for implementers. > > I was then thinking of changing the Security Considerations section

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-19 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi Viktor, Your comments didn't go unnoticed. I think that the changes to Sections 4 and 5 should be limited to replacing "MUST NOT" with "SHOULD NOT". That will provide clear guidance for implementers. I was then thinking of changing the Security Considerations section to the following: ---vvv-

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-17 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 12:53:39PM -0400, Chris Lonvick wrote: > Hi Viktor and all, > > I see your point. > > How about if the phrases "MUST NOT offer TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA" in > Sections 4 and 5 be changed to "SHOULD NOT offer..."? > > This seems to be more consistent with Section 4.2.1

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-17 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi Hubert, I don't think that the guidance should be "MUST NOT". That would be exceeding the recommendation of BCP 195 and would leave administrators of devices that only support TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA with no interoperability options. Following the guidance of BCP 195 by using "SHOULD NOT"

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-13 Thread Hubert Kario
RSA key exchange are the worst ciphersuites you can possibly use, they should be MUST NOT as anything else is an improvement. If that's the only interoperable ciphersuite that's available in the environment that the administrator is configuring, they'll ignore any guidance anyway. On Wednesda

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-06 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi Ilari, If a syslog server MUST NOT offer the only cipher suite that an associated client has available then the client will not be able to securely convey syslog messages to that server. That would break things. Changing that to "SHOULD NOT" allows an administrator to evaluate the risks. The ad

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-06 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 12:53:39PM -0400, Chris Lonvick wrote: > Hi Viktor and all, > > I see your point. > > How about if the phrases "MUST NOT offer TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA" in > Sections 4 and 5 be changed to "SHOULD NOT offer..."? > > This seems to be more consistent with Section 4.2.1

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-06 Thread Orie Steele
Chair hat off, this suggestion makes sense to me, I would support making the change, unless a strong counter argument is presented. OS On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 11:54 AM Chris Lonvick wrote: > Hi Viktor and all, > > I see your point. > > How about if the phrases "MUST NOT offer TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_12

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-06 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi Viktor and all, I see your point. How about if the phrases "MUST NOT offer TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA" in Sections 4 and 5 be changed to "SHOULD NOT offer..."? This seems to be more consistent with Section 4.2.1 of RFC 9325 (BCP 195) and will continue to allow devices to offer that algorith

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-06 Thread Orie Steele
Sorry if I was not clear, I was hoping to see the comment responded to, even if the consensus is to not make changes. Once we can see the group position on it, I think we will have addressed comments raised during WGLC. OS On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 9:02 AM Salz, Rich wrote: > >- This is curre

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-06 Thread Salz, Rich
* This is currently the only comment we have seen outside of support for the draft being WGLC complete. Viktor is the only person who has brought this up. Now I know there hasn’t been a lot of discussion, but I’m not sure consensus is with his position. _

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-09-05 Thread Orie Steele
draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog Authors, This is currently the only comment we have seen outside of support for the draft being WGLC complete. We recommend addressing this comment, if you agree I will update the data tracker. Regards, Orie and Valery On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 10:41 AM

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-08-31 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 07:16:01AM -0400, Chris Lonvick wrote: > We think that this version is ready for WG Last Call. Would the members of > the WG please review and let us know (on the WG list) if there are any > objections? > The draft looks clear enough. My main concern is not with readynes

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-08-31 Thread Fries, Steffen
: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog Hi, We think that this version is ready for WG Last Call. Would the members of the WG please review and let us know (on the WG list) if there are any objections? The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is: https

Re: [Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-08-21 Thread Salz, Rich
I read the diff and still think it’s ready for WGLC. ___ Uta mailing list Uta@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/uta

[Uta] Reviews requested - draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog

2023-08-21 Thread Chris Lonvick
Hi, We think that this version is ready for WG Last Call. Would the members of the WG please review and let us know (on the WG list) if there are any objections? The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-uta-ciphersuites-in-sec-syslog