Re: linux-next: add utrace tree

2010-01-24 Thread tytso
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 09:04:56PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: The killer app for this will be the ability to delete thousands of lines of code from GDB, strace, and all the various other tools that have to painfully work around the major interface gotchas of ptrace(), while at the same

Re: linux-next: add utrace tree

2010-01-24 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Hi - On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 05:25:13AM -0500, ty...@mit.edu wrote: [...] The killer app for this will be the ability to delete thousands of lines of code from GDB, strace, and all the various other tools that have to painfully work around the major interface gotchas of ptrace(),

Re: linux-next: add utrace tree

2010-01-24 Thread Thomas Gleixner
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 07:04:01AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: [...] Also, if any systemtap person is interested in helping us create a more generic filter engine out of the current ftrace filter engine (which is really a precursor of a safe,

Re: linux-next: add utrace tree

2010-01-24 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Hi - tytso wrote: [...] Let me see if I can paraphrase those of your concerns that were substantive: 1) That if utrace is merged, and systemtap keeps on using it, there may be some sort of chilling effect on kernel developers that would impede utrace's future development. This might

Re: linux-next: add utrace tree

2010-01-24 Thread Chris Moller
On 01/24/10 13:01, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: ... all add up to a mere nudge away from entirely evil. If so, I wonder if your sort of grossly bimodal view of ethical virtue is going to foster the right sorts of change in the linux kernel community. Nothing like a good religious debate to

Re: [RFC] [PATCH 1/7] User Space Breakpoint Assistance Layer (UBP)

2010-01-24 Thread Pavel Machek
On Sun 2010-01-17 16:01:46, Peter Zijlstra wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 16:56 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote: On 01/17/2010 04:52 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote: Also, if its fixed size you're imposing artificial limits on the number of possible probes. Obviously we'll need a limit, a

Re: linux-next: add utrace tree

2010-01-24 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 14:48, ty...@mit.edu wrote: The fundamental issue which Ingo is trying to say (and which you apparently don't seem to be understanding) is that utrace doesn't export a syscall (which is an ABI that we are willing to promise will be stable), but rather a set of kernel

Re: linux-next: add utrace tree

2010-01-24 Thread Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 12:23:33PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: * Kyle Moffett k...@moffetthome.net wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 19:22, Linus Torvalds torva...@linux-foundation.org wrote: ... In that sense it might be better to fix/enhance ptrace, if there's interest. I've written a

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Re: linux-next: add utrace tree

2010-01-24 Thread tytso
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 08:42:13PM -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote: Personally I don't give a flying about SystemTap; I'm interested in things like the ability to stack gdb with strace, the RFC gdb-stub posted a week ago, etc. None of those abilities would be out-of-tree modules at all, and