Re: [Veritas-bu] How do you report on utilization?

--Original Message-- From: spaldam Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu ReplyTo: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Sent: Jul 30, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Veritas-bu] How do you report on utilization? bjgreenberg wrote: > For all of you doing heavy reporting on

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

I agree with you on the "extra space required" arguments. One thing that I think starts to become more apparent is when you talk large amounts of data (PBs) and number of devices required. Inline vendors will require you to buy many devices to keep up with the performance required to backup all

Re: [Veritas-bu] How do you report on utilization?

--Original Message-- From: spaldam Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu ReplyTo: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Sent: Jul 30, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Veritas-bu] How do you report on utilization? bjgreenberg wrote: > For all of you doing heavy reporting on

[Veritas-bu] Netbackup verify at write time

The best thing I can say is: "Make Multiple Copies". This is why I always make sure I have at least 2 copies of my next longest retention before expiring the shorter retention(S). For example: If you do weekly full backups, keep you're daily incremental backups for at least 2 weeks. In turn,

[Veritas-bu] How do you report on utilization?

bjgreenberg wrote: > For all of you doing heavy reporting on NBU, I've discovered an inconsistency > about how NBU reports job information between bpdbjobs and bpimagelist. They should be different. bpdbjobs shows how much data was backed up based on how it looks from a file system standpoin

[Veritas-bu] Disable alternate client restores

If you can't trust your Backup administrator(s) - regardless of what backup software you are using - then you are in big trouble. You can lock NetBackup down so that only certain people can access the backup/restore functionality on the master; but that also means they can't have "root" or "ad

Re: [Veritas-bu] Disable alternate client restores

Actually, you can prevent the Master from writing to a particular client: Of course, that doesn't actually address the issue I have...which I don't think has a solution outside of removing the client in question from NBU. But I had to ask :) Ken Zufall Technical Analyst D660C The Goodyear Ti

Re: [Veritas-bu] Disable alternate client restores

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:38 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Running 6.5.1, have been asked if it's possible to restrict the Master > server from restoring a particular client's images to alternate clients. I > know we can restrict one client from restoring another client's data; I know > I ca

Re: [Veritas-bu] How do you report on utilization?

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Brian J. Greenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > For all of you doing heavy reporting on NBU, I've discovered an > inconsistency about how NBU reports job information between bpdbjobs and > bpimagelist. > > > I'm told by Symantec that the reasons for the discrepencie

[Veritas-bu] Disable alternate client restores

Running 6.5.1, have been asked if it's possible to restrict the Master server from restoring a particular client's images to alternate clients. I know we can restrict one client from restoring another client's data; I know I can prevent the Master from writing to a particular client. What I ha

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

Simultaneous backup and duplication unfortunately doesn't seem to work all the time in NBU even when you're doing both to tape. We found that if you tell it restart on failure it doesn't seem to restart at all. If you tell it to continue it does continue the one copy that didn't fail but if yo

[Veritas-bu] How do you report on utilization?

For all of you doing heavy reporting on NBU, I've discovered an inconsistency about how NBU reports job information between bpdbjobs and bpimagelist. I discovered quite a while ago, that what you are reporting on for KB backed up may in fact be incorrect. This is going to depend entirely on your

Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup verify at write time

The moral of the story here is that if you want to be sure that your backup data is gooddo a restore test. Don't trust the bpverify function. Stuart Liddle | Senior Consultant GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. C: +1 805 822 9273 | [E

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

Again, I think the "extra space required" is a bit of a red herring/FUD thrown out by the inline guys. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I'm saying it's not as big of a factor as you may have heard AND there are other factors that affect cost and footprint as well, some of which are in favor

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

>How do any of these devices compare in a large vaulting environment >where you may have simultanious backups and duplications. Some do way better than others. ;) This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to who

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

The line from Exagrid is since the last backup is not deduped(post processing previous backups) restores are faster (there is no undup needed for restoring from the last backup.) Never evaluated one(Exagrid) so I have know opinon. How do any of these devices compare in a large vaulting environme

Re: [Veritas-bu] Recover Data from a Netbackup 5.1 image.

Yes, I understand it is there in 6.0 and above, does anyone know how to get it from a 5.1 disk image? From: Curtis Preston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July, 2008 1:23 PM To: Michitsch, John; Martin, Jonathan; veritas-BU Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Recover Data from a Netbackup 5.1 image. I

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

My thoughts on the inline vs post process debate can be found in this blog entry: http://www.backupcentral.com/content/view/134/47/ What you say is mostly true. BUT if the post processing vendor has a greater dedupe ratio (possibly because they can spend more TIME deduping), then it should he

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

Being that former colleague, do a bake-off with ExaGrid and Data Domain. See what fits the best for your solution. Troy Schuler (314) 807-6169 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Glazerma

Re: [Veritas-bu] Recover Data from a Netbackup 5.1 image.

I also believe that capability showed up in 6.0. Curtis Preston | VP Data Protection GlassHouse Technologies, Inc. T: +1 760 710 2004 | C: +1 760 419 5838 | F: +1 760 710 2009 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.glasshouse.com

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

DD doesn't pay me either but IMHO but the idea of inline dedupe made more sense to us simply due to the fact we wouldn't have to find rack/floor space for significantly increased storage required by post dedupe. FYI: EMC is pushing dedupe solutions as well. There is a also a company called Sepa

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

Jim Horalek said: >I think were slamming one vendor prematurely. All these de-dup devices work. No they don't! I've tested some that flat out didn't work, or worked so poorly that I wouldn't give them to my worst enemy. >But they are not all the same. They all have different features and

Re: [Veritas-bu] Recover Data from a Netbackup 5.1 image.

You understand correctly. From: Martin, Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July, 2008 11:54 AM To: Michitsch, John; veritas-BU Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Recover Data from a Netbackup 5.1 image. If I understand correctly, you did a backup to disk, and copied those files to a remote site?

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

I think that "post process vs. inline" is an important issue. We evaluated both Netapp and Data Domain, before choosing the Data Domain solution. One of reasons was that processing. Post processing, means if you are writing 4 Tb of data on a weekend full, you have to have 4 Tb of free disk sp

[Veritas-bu] Yury A Chmyrov нет на ра боте.

Меня не будет на работе 30.07.2008 по 01.08.2008. Я буду в командировке с 30.07 по 01.08.По всем вопросам просьба обращаться к Седневу Ю. или Вазюле В.___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/l

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

I don't want to appear to be slamming Exagrid because as I said, my only knowledge of them was through their marketing pack (containing the aforementioned gum). Obviously different products from different vendors will suit different customers for different reasons. However, I can say with some su

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Mark Glazerman wrote: > For what it's worth we have been using Data Domain for over 2 years now > and would recommend it to anyone looking for a de-dupe appliance that > does exactly what it says on the box. In fact, my colleague here was so > jazzed with the product he's n

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

I think were slamming one vendor prematurely. All these de-dup devices work. But they are not all the same. They all have different features and solve differnet problems. You should test any device first to see if will be of any value in your environment. Jim -Original Message- From: [EM

Re: [Veritas-bu] Recover Data from a Netbackup 5.1 image.

If I understand correctly, you did a backup to disk, and copied those files to a remote site? But now that those images have expired their catalog entries are gone, but you still have the coped backup to disk files? I've successfully imported disk images without the corresponding db\images folde

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

For what it's worth we have been using Data Domain for over 2 years now and would recommend it to anyone looking for a de-dupe appliance that does exactly what it says on the box. In fact, my colleague here was so jazzed with the product he's now working as an SE for them !! Mark Glazerman De

[Veritas-bu] Recover Data from a Netbackup 5.1 image.

Does anyone know of a way to get data out of an image file created by Netbackup 5.1? We were copying the disk images and sending them offsite. After they are expired from the catalog, there is no way to import the image. We also do not have a copy of the catalog from the same time as the imag

Re: [Veritas-bu] upgrade licenses

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Dave Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Indeed i'm not sure then if i am entitled to the latest release although we > have it installed on many other platforms. The issue i have is i don't > handle purchasing or quoting and am just an engineer who > designs,impl

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Fergus Donohue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. They sell a NAS based de-dupe device very > similar in concept to Data Domain, but it does post-process rather than > in-line de-dupe. Price-wise they appear very competitive and I was > wondering

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

Hi Justin, Thanks for the feedback. They sell a NAS based de-dupe device very similar in concept to Data Domain, but it does post-process rather than in-line de-dupe. Price-wise they appear very competitive and I was wondering if anyone had any real-world experience with them. Thanks, Fergus.

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

I've heard of Exagrid but have never used it - including the 4 jobs where we used NBU as our backup solution. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin Piszcz Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:37 AM To: Fergus Donohue Cc: veritas-BU Subject: Re

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

All I know about Exagrid is that their marketing mailout included a pack of the most foul tasting chewing gum I've ever had the displeasure of sampling. If their choice of chewing gum is in any way a reflection of their product then I suggest you steer well clear !! Mark Glazerman Desk: 314-88

Re: [Veritas-bu] upgrade licenses

/sigh Back when I worked for an evil VAR (The company was evil, not all VARs in general, although sometimes is seems like that!) it was the inside sales rep's responsibility to get license keys. That was part of the "Value Add." (More bureaucracy!) In the real world, you get emailed license keys

Re: [Veritas-bu] upgrade licenses

Ed Wilts wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Dave Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > We are doing an upgrade from 5.0 to 6.0mp4 and i'm just wondering if i > need any licenses or if the ones we have for 5 will work fine. > > > The licenses you have

Re: [Veritas-bu] upgrade licenses

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Ed Wilts wrote: > On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Dave Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> We are doing an upgrade from 5.0 to 6.0mp4 and i'm just wondering if i >> need any licenses or if the ones we have for 5 will work fine. > > > The licenses you have will work, BUT

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

Never heard of or used it myself Fergus. Justin. On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Fergus Donohue wrote: > Should I take the resounding silence as a "no" then? ;) > > Thanks, > > Fergus. > > Fergus Donohue wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> The question has been asked here before, but things may have moved on >> since.

Re: [Veritas-bu] upgrade licenses

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Dave Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > We are doing an upgrade from 5.0 to 6.0mp4 and i'm just wondering if i > need any licenses or if the ones we have for 5 will work fine. The licenses you have will work, BUT you will not have features that are enabled by 6.

Re: [Veritas-bu] Exagrid

Should I take the resounding silence as a "no" then? ;) Thanks, Fergus. Fergus Donohue wrote: > Hi all, > > The question has been asked here before, but things may have moved on > since. Has anyone deployed an Exagrid solution in production and if so, > how has it been? > > Thanks, > > Fergus.

Re: [Veritas-bu] upgrade licenses

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Dave Markham wrote: > Guys can anyone just tell me where to look for licensing info. Its all a > bit confusing to me as i dont have a direct route into symantec and am > being asked questions. > > We are doing an upgrade from 5.0 to 6.0mp4 and i'm just wondering if i > need

[Veritas-bu] upgrade licenses

Guys can anyone just tell me where to look for licensing info. Its all a bit confusing to me as i dont have a direct route into symantec and am being asked questions. We are doing an upgrade from 5.0 to 6.0mp4 and i'm just wondering if i need any licenses or if the ones we have for 5 will work