[Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread WEAVER, Simon (external)
Morning Guys Not exactly a problem, but a question. I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones too!! amnd legacy Unix systems. Now, what I was

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread Mark Phillips
Simon, A couple of years ago we retired DLT IV and LTO1 drives, going to a library with LTO4 drives only. I used bpimmedia to work out which images were on the old media then bpduplicate to duplicate all long term retention images that were on the old DLT IV and LTO1 media to LTO3 or LTO4

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread WEAVER, Simon (external)
Hi Mark Thanks for this. Yes, this is one method, but what about a backup solution - ie: now 20 years out of date, no media, no server to restore to and in a format unknown to todays backup systems. What would you do then? :-) the client does not seem bothered, and is happy to destroy the Data.

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread stefanos
Well, netbackup is using tar to write and read to the tape. If you not use multiplexing, and you know what is on what tape, then you can restore backups without netbackup. I have come in front of many companies that have 15 years backups and they try to find a travan tape drive (or other)

Re: [Veritas-bu] Strange status 13 during bpstart script

2010-05-19 Thread Dave Markham
lol True What we've found out is that its the firewall between media and client which is cutting off this connection after 2 hours. The bpstart script is still running on the client but after the firewall tcp timeout of 2 hours its as though part of the connection (i'm thinking the bpbrm

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread Ed Wilts
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:20 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) simon.wea...@astrium.eads.net wrote: I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones

Re: [Veritas-bu] Strange status 13 during bpstart script

2010-05-19 Thread Ed Wilts
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Dave Markham dave.mark...@fjserv.netwrote: What we've found out is that its the firewall between media and client which is cutting off this connection after 2 hours. The bpstart script is still running on the client but after the firewall tcp timeout of 2

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread David Magda
On May 19, 2010, at 02:39, WEAVER, Simon (external) wrote: Thanks for this. Yes, this is one method, but what about a backup solution - ie: now 20 years out of date, no media, no server to restore to and in a format unknown to todays backup systems. What would you do then? :-) the

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread Lightner, Jeff
We've gone through exercises of saving infinite retention backups of systems that we know we can't recreate easily (for example there was one that had a dongle from the vendor required to run the app - we had to return the dongle to avoid continuing to pay license fees). The idea is if you have

Re: [Veritas-bu] RMAN crosscheck

2010-05-19 Thread Michael Graff Andersen
Think there is, at least according to this page http://ss64.com/ora/rman_crosscheck.html Regards Michael 2010/5/17 Lightner, Jeff jlight...@water.com That’s unfortunate. It seems that there ought to be a way to have RMAN rebuild its catalog from NBU much the same the way that NBU can

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread Martin, Jonathan
Here when we change tape formats, we duplicate the long term retention data to the new format. It's pretty easy with NetBackup, but I suppose worst case scenario you would have to restore it, then back it up again. Probably a better question than can I restore the data? is, once restored, do I

Re: [Veritas-bu] RMAN crosscheck

2010-05-19 Thread Lightner, Jeff
That looks promising. Have you used it successfully? Mark - did you try this when you had your issue? From: Michael Graff Andersen [mailto:mia...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:05 AM To: Lightner, Jeff Cc: Mark Glazerman; Kevin Corley;

Re: [Veritas-bu] RMAN crosscheck

2010-05-19 Thread Mark Glazerman
I'm not sure if our DBA's tried this exact method but in our environment, where we back up only to Data Domain, we don't have another repository (eg. Vaulted Tape) to look for any RMAN backup pieces. Once RMAN had expired the images we needed and they had been cleared off the data domain, there

Re: [Veritas-bu] RMAN crosscheck

2010-05-19 Thread Mark Glazerman
We did still have NBU images of the backups that initiated the RMAN backups but once RMAN had expired its own images, these were essentially useless. I don't believe that RMAN is able to query NBU's catalog as part of the crosscheck anyway. Mark Glazerman Desk: 314-889-8282 Cell:

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread judy_hinchcliffe
If you have a drive, you can use tar to read the tapes (little more work if they are multiplexed.) I am in the process of duplicating about 100 SDLT tapes to LTO4's. - I have kept an SDLT tape drive attached to the master because I have long term tapes. Once I get the dups done I can get rid

Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+

2010-05-19 Thread WEAVER, Simon (external)
True, this could happen, but then it comes back to what do they do with the Data or how could they read it, if they have just chucked and disposed of their old equipment, that was running the apps in the first place?! Begs the question ... Why did they bother ! :( And probably explains why they

[Veritas-bu] Digging into tape performance, long delays on duplications

2010-05-19 Thread Jim VandeVegt
Just implemented HP LTO5 tape drives, although I have seen this behavior on the older LTO2 drives as well. 8gbps Qlogic switch. NetBackup 6.5.6 w/ vault Sun T5240 master/media, Solaris 10 with last Thursday's recommended patch set, 4Gbps HBA (getting an 8 soon). The main monitoring tool I

[Veritas-bu] RMAN crosscheck

2010-05-19 Thread David McMullin
I am working with my DBA and Symantec, opened a ticket and found this issue from the RMAN side: Here is my note to them: Please review case # 291-053-107. Our Oracle DBA are extremely upset that the tools available to them to troubleshoot in a DR situation are so poor. They have no reliable way

Re: [Veritas-bu] Digging into tape performance, long delays on duplications

2010-05-19 Thread Jim VandeVegt
NUMBER_DATA_BUFFERS=64 SIZE_DATA_BUFFERS=262144 Drive firmware is I24Z I may have found the biggest problem. Continuing to look at the switch port statistics, I found one drive was accumulating a few receive and decode errors. And I caught it twice go offline on the switch port. I reseated all

Re: [Veritas-bu] RMAN crosscheck

2010-05-19 Thread Lightner, Jeff
Thanks. As noted in my original question though, I already do see the images using NBU utilities. The question is how can we restore those images if RMAN doesn't know they exist? The first reply to my original indicated that one has to use RMAN to recover and RMAN doesn't know they're there.

[Veritas-bu] Disk Staging With Operation Status = 0

2010-05-19 Thread moehatdee
Dear All, I have configured DSSU (Disk Staging Storage Unit) and FSU (Final Destination Storage Unit) on NetBackup 6.0MP7 running on Solaris 10 Media Server. When the capacity reached 100% of capacity, the schedule was running but the data cannot be stagged or moved to tape. Would you like to