Let's see .. in addition to cell phones, ATMs and iTunes downloads, we have managed to get students used to add-on technology fees, extra CDs in their textbooks for an extra price, value added enhancements to textbooks, at an extra price, special fees for "hybrid courses," which meet less often and are basically all web page, all the time, for an extra price .... so ... why don't we just stop spending so much intellectual capital and "what ifs" about fair use and simply have each student buy a $36 semester pass to NetFlicks and simply watch whatever they want On Demand.

I could probably get the aforementioned fetishized original Metropolis if I needed it.

We could even add it to the gym fee and get a gened requirement out of the way.

Randal Baier
Eastern Michigan University

The court's don't make rules? That is a new one. There is a long history of law on "fair use" and how it can and cannot be used. If either UCLA or Georgia State decided to pursue their case ( my current understanding is that the publishers are trying to pursue Georgia State which wants the court to rule that whatever they did before in streaming whole works is irrelevant because they are not doing it now and won't do it again) and a court rules that "Fair Use" ( along with claims involving either "face to face" or the TEACH ACT do not allow you to stream an entire work, are you saying that would not be definitive? If courts don't make rules why are schools buying books or videos at all. Can't they just download them from bit torrent? There is no doubt that technology is making it very hard to ENFORCE copyright laws that does not mean they don't exist.

The idea of "fair use" covering for instance the digitizing and streaming of an entire feature film is pretty breathtaking in its scope and despite all sorts of technology questions, I don't think it is really that complicated of a legal question.

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Carrie Russell <cruss...@alawash.org <mailto:cruss...@alawash.org>> wrote:

    Jessica said: Now just be my little evil devil's advocate self,f I
    have
    a question for
     you Carrie.
    Since ALA believes it is legal (or maybe you believe it should be
    legal)
    to
    stream an entire work to students outside of the actual classroom
     does
    this
    mean you will advice Georgia State & UCLA both of whom have backed
    down,
    to
    NOT settle so this  view could in fact be tested in court?

    Carrie says: I will not advise Georgia State, UCLA, or anyone how to
    handle their legal situation.  ALA won't either.  What we are
    saying in
    the issue brief is that we believe fair use could apply to the full
    screening of films, including screenings that are conducted by
    technological means depending on the situation.  The brief describes
    that reasoning.

    Jessica said: I mean that is what we all want right? A clear cut legal
    ruling would
    certainly end all this debate.

    Carrie says: I don't think a court ruling would end this debate, in
    part, because this is a political debate. Courts don't create rules;
    they provide interpretations to guide us. Universities, schools,
    librarians and vendors can establish rules if they so choose.

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