Thanks fr yr thougt provoking paper Alexander. You asked for comments: Firstly, congrats on marshalling new information and perpectives. I was particularly struck with the Daret painting when you introduced to me some months ago and I agree that the Diaz MAY have been built as a 6 course vihuela but think that the weight of evidence is rather less conclusive than you and on balance I still think it more likely to have been built as a 5 course guitar. A few points: 1. Decoration (presumably original) on the face of the Diaz peghead specifically makes a feature of all the pegholes, except for the 'extra' one; indeed, it even cuts through part of the decorative line. This suggests to me that the instrument was not originally built with this additional peghole. 2. Plate1 second from left (17thC guitar) shows an extra peghole in another instrument. I wonder if this extra hole was not made to allow for an extra string in the late 18thC to convert to a 6 course guitar (as you'll know many early guitars were converted around 1800, but mostly to 6 single strings so did not require additional pegs). Unfortunately, the absence of a bridge ( Plate 4) does not allow us to date it on stylistic grounds and say wether it was contemporary with the body of the instrument or a later addition. 3. The very small ('pin') hole in the top of the Diaz peghead is very close to the edge: do you really think it could have been made significantly larger without splitting out at the top? This risk might have prevented it from being used for a strap/ribbon and thus requiring another hole which did not breach the makers cartouche or interfere with other pegs.
4. Small string spacing at the BRIDGE on multi course instruments is to do with keeping the extreme courses within a reasonable span (it is, for example, interesting that most 13 course lutes have significantly smaller inter course separation than on 11 course instruments made around the same time). With only 5 (or 6) courses the physical span of the extreme courses is not an issue. Having said this, it is clear that many extant early lutes (some of which you note) do seem to have smaller inter course separation at the NUT; a feature which, as you mention, we need to come to terms with. Do we know the size of earlier hands? - were they smaller than present day (say, in proprtion to overall height) or are they more indepedent (like inter-occular distance which seems to have remained surprisingly constant inspite of overall stature increase - I recall an overall figure of 15% increase from 16thC being quoted by Segerman). In short, do we need larger separation at the nut because we have bigger/thicker fingers or because we are not doing something right? In short, I still think the most likely reason for the extra hole in the Diaz peghead is for a strap/ribbon, but.................. regards, Martyn Alexander Batov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've just published a full version of the talk "The Royal College Dias - guitar or vihuela?" that I gave at the Lute Society meeting (16 April) including all the information I had to omit because of the time limit. Your views and opinions are always appreciated. http://www.vihuelademano.com/rcmdias.htm Alexander Batov www.vihuelademano.com -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail --