[VIHUELA] Re: Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Monica Hall
The problem seems to lie with the previous chord. Both the C and the E flat fall on the 2nd course so can't be played together. That being the case, it is logical to place both chords on the 4th and 5th courses. C minor is an awkward key on the guitar. I still haven't given a sensibl

[VIHUELA] Re: Luis Milan

2005-09-07 Thread Monica Hall
I believe that Tess Knighton is preparing a translation of this but as far as I am aware it has not yet appeared in print. I am hoping to read it myself when it does. Monica - Original Message - From: Fossum, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Vihuela Net Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Monica Hall
> > Pesori - he has probably copied Foscarini in Galeria musicale. > > The tuning check is not the same. The fact that tuning charts are all > similar doesn't say they are copied. Still don't clearly mention octave stringing. > I took it from 'Recreazioni armoniche' Now I see that it is probably

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Monica, Thank you for this long reply - I am now feeling terribly guilty because I am very well aware of the historical literature, the various tunings proposed in modern times (Pinnell et al) and the state of the current debate. My aim in asking these questions of perhaps the leading autho

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
> Pesori - he has probably copied Foscarini in Galeria musicale. The tuning check is not the same. The fact that tuning charts are all similar doesn't say they are copied. > I don't > think he mentions octaves in Lo srigno armonico. I took it from 'Recreazioni armoniche' Now I see that it is p

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Lex Eisenhardt

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Monica Hall
Further to the below, grtfl if you cld respond to my earlier message on precisely this matter: I'm not always convinced by yr procrustean analysis. I hope I am not trying to enforce uniformity by violent methods - which is how my dictionary defines procrustean! It is difficult to expl

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Monica Hall
> > That is exactly why you can't prove that one method of stringing rather > than > > another is intended. > > Indeed. That is why I don't see what proves French tuning for Corbetta 1643. In the end you can't prove anything either way. > Can you please give more information on exactly that subj

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Monica Hall
> > If you wanted to avoid string break you wouldn't start with the 5th course > > at all. If you tune the 5th course too high, when you get to the 1st > > course - ping - off it goes! > > Still that is what the instructions say: 'tune the fifth course to a > convenient pitch' or 'the fifth may

[VIHUELA] Luis Milan

2005-09-07 Thread Fossum, Arthur
Anyone aware of a translation to English of 'El Cortesano' by Milan? I am interested in reading it. -Arthur To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Monica, Grateful if you cld explain on what historic basis you restrict yourself to just including open courses when playing the triad: harmony of this period had become much richer with chords of the 7th and 9th and various inversions with added notes eg simultaneous 5 and 6 on, say, a Gm cho

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Monica Hall
> But the open courses with Foscarini were serious, and I said it's certainly > on the edge. If you allow me, I have another example, that is a bit similar. > It's from La Guitarre Royalle (1671) on p. 94, last line bars 1-4. Should we > include the 1st course in all the chords?(e.g. second beat

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-07 Thread Monica Hall
> > As you haven't seen it, other than in two manuscripts copied in the 18th > > century you can't evaluate it. All that you can say is that you know > > nothing about it. So much of what you say simply ignores that fact that > we > > have a very incomplete picture of what was really happeni