[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-31 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 06:01 AM 3/31/2006, Ed Durbrow wrote: >Okay. Good example. Got it. >I thought the point that was being made was that it was impossible to >have them the same in both instruments. If the keyboard player set >his meantone to all flats, for example, and the lute did likewise, I >don't see where the

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-29 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 02:19 AM 3/29/2006, LGS-Europe wrote: >Again, you seem to be mixing theory (it is impossible to tune a guitar or >lute in an unequal temperament) with practice (we have to play together with >Werckmeister harpsichords)... >In near as well as remote keys in unequal temperaments, if there are note

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-28 Thread EUGENE BRAIG IV
- Original Message - From: Howard Posner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 8:07 pm Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament > > This may be correct as a matter of mathematics, but it doesn't > work > like this in the real world. Most of

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-28 Thread Howard Posner
Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: > you still can't truly fret any instrument to any > temperament scheme other than roughly equal temperament without > tastini or > some other device for sectioning frets. This may be correct as a matter of mathematics, but it doesn't work like this in the real world.

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-28 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 05:12 AM 3/28/2006, LGS-Europe wrote: >Of course, but we have to play together with keyboards, and think of >something not to be _too_ out of tune with them. |-( >So it's worth trying such temperaments on our continuo lutes. A fretted instrument can never quite be in tune with a keyboard witho

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-28 Thread Stephan . Olbertz
Am 27 Mar 2006 um 13:52 hat Eugene C. Braig IV geschrieben: > At 01:20 PM 3/27/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Of course. The thing is that not all equal temperaments are equal, > > Of course indeed. > > > >...so citing from historic sources proofes nothing as long as the > >mathematical stuf

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-27 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 01:20 PM 3/27/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Of course. The thing is that not all equal temperaments are equal, Of course indeed. >...so citing from historic sources proofes nothing as long as the >mathematical stuff is included. I'm not certain what you mean here. Best, Eugene To get

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-27 Thread Stephan . Olbertz
Of course. The thing is that not all equal temperaments are equal, so citing from historic sources proofes nothing as long as the mathematical stuff is included. Regards, Stephan Am 27 Mar 2006 um 10:13 hat Eugene C. Braig IV geschrieben: > At 06:31 AM 3/26/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-27 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 06:31 AM 3/26/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >(Sorry for the crossposting, but this seems to be a two-list-thread.) > >I'd like to take the oppurtunity to once again point out Bradley Lehman's >Bach-tuning, >which can be studied at http://www.larips.com ... I like Mr. Lehman's work, however i

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-26 Thread Self
(Sorry for the crossposting, but this seems to be a two-list-thread.) I'd like to take the oppurtunity to once again point out Bradley Lehman's Bach-tuning, which can be studied at http://www.larips.com According to his argumentation, equal could well have meant to be _equal-sounding_ in sever

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-26 Thread Stephan . Olbertz
(Sorry for the crossposting, but this seems to be a two-list-thread.) I'd like to take the oppurtunity to once again point out Bradley Lehman's Bach-tuning, which can be studied at http://www.larips.com According to his argumentation, equal could well have meant to be _equal-sounding_ in sever

[VIHUELA] Re: Meantone temperament

2006-03-25 Thread Daniel F Heiman
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:52:58 -0500 "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Howard wrote: > >> Equal > >> temperament pretty much destroys this expressive effect. Most > >> baroque music is in one of the simpler keys (i.e. few sharps or flats > You forgot the modifier EARLY. In the later