On Friday, March 9, 2012 5:01:31 PM UTC+1, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote:
> [Reversed the top-posting]
> 
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2012, Anders Tidbeck wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 9 Mar 2012, Anders Tidbeck wrote:
> >>
> >>  A question came up on superuser.com about backwards motions in Vim:
> >>>
> >>> "To move a word forward in Vim, you press w or e. How can I move a 
> >>> word backwards?"
> >>>
> >>> I recommended the vimtutor to get started, but as the one asking the 
> >>> question pointed out this is not in there.
> >>>
> >>> I think that at least 'b' should be added under the motion shortlist 
> >>> in Lesson 2.3.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The "motion shortlist" you mention only talks about 'hjkl', so it's 
> >> not really a "motion shortlist", more like "the simplest motion 
> >> commands".
> >>
> >> 'b' is mentioned alongside 'w', when you get to section 03.1: 'Word 
> >> movement'.
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> > The "motion shortlist" I was talking of is:
> >
> >  A short list of motions:
> >    w - until the start of the next word, EXCLUDING its first character.
> >    e - to the end of the current word, INCLUDING the last character.
> >    $ - to the end of the line, INCLUDING the last character.
> >
> > This is Version 1.7 (Lesson 2.3) of the tutor, that comes with Vim 7.3 
> > (on Windows anyway). I know the help have great/complete information 
> > that is easy to find, but it wasn't for me and others in the 
> > beginning.
> 
> My apologies.  I only vaguely recalled that `vimtutor` was a separate 
> command (your response jogged my memory).  In my previous response, I'd 
> issued:
> 
> :help vimtutor
> 
> At that point I didn't really pay attention to the text at *vimtutor*, I 
> just assumed I had gone to the tutor.
> 
> Then I navigated to the next chapter of the user manual, where "section" 
> (not "Lesson") 2.3 also happens to discuss basic motions.
> 
> 
> > I think it would be great adding one line about 'b' so beginners 
> > understand there is backwards commands in this short list.
> 
> Looking at the actual `vimtutor` this time, I agree that it seems like 
> 'b' and 'ge' (and probably '^') should be added to that list.
> 
> -- 
> Best,
> Ben

What is the next step, create an issue on http://code.google.com/p/vim/, attach 
a patch in this list, something else?

BR Anders

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