RE: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-03 Thread Marc Weber
> > can open in Vim but which is unreadable for humans. Notepad > > decodes it. sorry - the binary output only happens if you export HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT this way. I'm going to stop participating in this thread for now. Marc Weber -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not to

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-02 Thread richard emberson
Both Vim and GVim have menubars with menus and submenus and, in addition, a popup menu that, at least for a very beginner, covers (maybe) 90% of what they may want to do (once they've got basic modal editing down). Though, it is also true that they will quickly out grow the menus and rapidly want

RE: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-02 Thread John Beckett
Marc Weber wrote: > Try Win + R -> "regedit" click on any folder -> File export > -> save as .reg file. Then you have a binary format which you > can open in Vim but which is unreadable for humans. Notepad > decodes it. On Windows (or most systems for that matter), your vimrc should probably start

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-02 Thread Marc Weber
Excerpts from Christian Brabandt's message of Tue Oct 02 21:29:28 +0200 2012: > > Even notepad can do things Vim can't: Open registry dump files! > Why can't Vim? Hmm you're right. You could write a decode and use it (like showing hexdumps ..) - still I use bvi whenever I want to edit binary files.

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-02 Thread Christian Brabandt
Hi Marc! On Di, 02 Okt 2012, Marc Weber wrote: > vim & emacs: Well - the whole discussion is pointless because we're not > talking about "what should be learned". > > Even notepad can do things Vim can't: Open registry dump files! Why can't Vim? regards, Christian -- Wenn der kluge Mann mit d

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-02 Thread Charles Campbell
Marc Weber wrote: Eclipse can highlight used and unused #ifdef regions, Vim cannot (AFAIK). Try Michael Gedde's "ifdef.vim" plugin -- http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=7 . Regards, C Campbell -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do not top-post! Type

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-02 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
Vi is present on nearly every *nix system in existance, from big servers to whatever is in your refridgerator. It is also on OSX. Vi is essentially a subset of vim. If you know vim you know vi. If you constantly need to work on random systems anywhere - you are stuck knowing the ba

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-02 Thread Marc Weber
vim & emacs: Well - the whole discussion is pointless because we're not talking about "what should be learned". Even notepad can do things Vim can't: Open registry dump files! So use the right tool for a job. And if you want to learn about Vim - and you're helpless - then ask somebody knowing how

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-02 Thread Boyko Bantchev
On 2 October 2012 03:25, Steve Litt wrote: > The fact is, that for X amount of time, > the Vim newbie will be helpless with Vim. That's not true of Notepad or > GEdit. How is that a fact? If one only does in Vim the kind of "editing" that they do in Notepad (e.g. when using Vim in easy mode), wo

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:04:15 -0700, Charlie Kester said: > On 10/01/2012 12:48 PM, Tim Chase wrote: > > On 10/01/12 14:17, Boyko Bantchev wrote: > >> In my personal opinion, saying that "Vim's learning curve is steep" > >> is nothing but a gross exaggeration. Why should it be? Are Vim's > >> pote

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-01 Thread Charlie Kester
On 10/01/2012 12:48 PM, Tim Chase wrote: On 10/01/12 14:17, Boyko Bantchev wrote: In my personal opinion, saying that "Vim's learning curve is steep" is nothing but a gross exaggeration. Why should it be? Are Vim's potential users computer illiterates, incapable of adapting to simple albeit ne

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-01 Thread Tim Chase
On 10/01/12 14:17, Boyko Bantchev wrote: > In my personal opinion, saying that "Vim's learning curve is steep" > is nothing but a gross exaggeration. Why should it be? Are Vim's > potential users computer illiterates, incapable of adapting to simple > albeit new concepts? I'm pretty sure it stem

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-01 Thread Boyko Bantchev
In my personal opinion, saying that "Vim's learning curve is steep" is nothing but a gross exaggeration. Why should it be? Are Vim's potential users computer illiterates, incapable of adapting to simple albeit new concepts? Highly improbable. Are they not learning to use many other and much mor

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-01 Thread ping
no matter what, I never understand "vim" & "emacs" part of that picture - it doesn't make much sense. I think Tony's graph make more sense in terms of "deep" , or , I think maybe this: | | |productivity | | | (VIM) |

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-01 Thread Gerald Klein
What I think happens sometimes is that someone is perhaps is for the first time stuck with only his Linux tty and has to fix something. The only editor he has is vi/vim he knows how to pass a file as an argument. He opens the file and can't get it to edit or makes edits and can't close it.Swearing

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-10-01 Thread Tony Mechelynck
On 30/09/12 22:47, Tim Chase wrote: On 09/30/12 08:37, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: it is often said, taht certain software has a "steep learning curve". Vi/vim is such an example for the use of this phrase... I would take the time as measure for the x-axis and the amount of stuff I have learned

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-09-30 Thread Tim Chase
On 09/30/12 15:47, Tim Chase wrote: > So the graphs would look something like... As I pushed I remembered stumbling across[1] with rather similar graphs. -tim [1] http://www.thejach.com/view/2012/07/vims_learning_curve_is_wrong -- You received this message from the "vim_use" maillist. Do no

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-09-30 Thread Tim Chase
On 09/30/12 08:37, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > it is often said, taht certain software has a "steep learning curve". > Vi/vim is such an example for the use of this phrase... > > I would take the time as measure for the x-axis and the amount > of stuff I have learned about -- for example -- vim

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-09-30 Thread Gerald Klein
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM, wrote: > Gerald Klein [12-09-30 20:00]: > > I think I got that? I myself have found that any software that does to > much > > for you give you less choice, the more it takes to learn the better the > > prize at the end (more control). > > > > Yes? > > > > On Sun,

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-09-30 Thread meino . cramer
Gerald Klein [12-09-30 20:00]: > I think I got that? I myself have found that any software that does to much > for you give you less choice, the more it takes to learn the better the > prize at the end (more control). > > Yes? > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:37 AM, wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > it is

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-09-30 Thread Gerald Klein
I think I got that? I myself have found that any software that does to much for you give you less choice, the more it takes to learn the better the prize at the end (more control). Yes? On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:37 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > it is often said, taht certain software has a "steep learni

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-09-30 Thread Tony Mechelynck
On 30/09/12 15:37, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, it is often said, taht certain software has a "steep learning curve". Vi/vim is such an example for the use of this phrase... I was thinking of this phrase and the graph I would draw if I had to show an example for such a "steep learning curve".

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-09-30 Thread Chris Jones
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 09:37:34AM EDT, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > Hi, > it is often said, taht certain software has a "steep learning curve". > Vi/vim is such an example for the use of this phrase... > > I was thinking of this phrase and the graph I would draw if I had > to show an example fo

Re: OT: The so called "steep learning curve" of vim...

2012-09-30 Thread Sven Guckes
* [2012-09-30 15:39]: > it is often said, taht certain software has a "steep learning curve". > Vi/vim is such an example for the use of this phrase... oh my... here we go again... > I was thinking of this phrase and the graph I would draw if > I had to show an example for such a "steep learning