Re: how other apps handles non-ASCII IM with CTRL keys (how does russians use vim-2) ?

2009-02-03 Thread bill lam
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009, Anton Sharonov wrote: > in case you press CONTROLLED key. xterm seems to ignore the fact, > that keyboard is switched to Russian and sends to the application > just the CTRL+ of the pressed key. In GVIM I see > that controlled key sends just it's unmodified Cyrillic value. So

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-02 Thread Agathoklis D. Hatzimanikas
On Mon, Feb 02, at 07:42 Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > > Valery Kondakoff wrote: > > > On 01.02.2009 21:13, Agathoklis D. Hatzimanikas wrote: > > > > >> Plea from a Russian Vim user: 'langmap' doesn't work with > > >> encodig=utf8, and who is using 8-bit encodings today? > > > > > > There is pat

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-02 Thread Valery Kondakoff
On 02.02.2009 21:42, Bram Moolenaar wrote: > > Valery Kondakoff wrote: > >> On 01.02.2009 21:13, Agathoklis D. Hatzimanikas wrote: >> Plea from a Russian Vim user: 'langmap' doesn't work with encodig=utf8, and who is using 8-bit encodings today? >>> There is patch for this, see the vi

how other apps handles non-ASCII IM with CTRL keys (how does russians use vim-2) ?

2009-02-02 Thread Anton Sharonov
bill lam wrote: > One more question, suppose the system keyboard layout is > russian. In programs other than vim where langmap is not > available, how to press those cmd/alt/meta keys? For > instance, to press (suspense), does it just press ctrl-Я > or need to shift_toggle to us, then press ctr

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-02 Thread Bram Moolenaar
Valery Kondakoff wrote: > On 01.02.2009 21:13, Agathoklis D. Hatzimanikas wrote: > > >> Plea from a Russian Vim user: 'langmap' doesn't work with > >> encodig=utf8, and who is using 8-bit encodings today? > > > > There is patch for this, see the vim patches page. > > Hopefully will be integra

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-02 Thread Cyril Slobin
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > 'langmap' may be specified using multi-byte characters, but it will use > them modulo 256. Two different keys will still produce different results > unless their Cyrillic characters are at a "distance" which is an integer > multiple of 256

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-02 Thread bill lam
Thank all for informative responses. If I understand correctly, use keymap if your default keyboard from xorg.conf or setkbmap is latin; but use langmap if system keyboard layout is ru. One more question, suppose the system keyboard layout is russian. In programs other than vim where langmap is n

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-02 Thread Valery Kondakoff
On 01.02.2009 21:13, Agathoklis D. Hatzimanikas wrote: >> Plea from a Russian Vim user: 'langmap' doesn't work with >> encodig=utf8, and who is using 8-bit encodings today? > > There is patch for this, see the vim patches page. > Hopefully will be integrated into mainline soon. Please, Bram, i

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-02 Thread Pento
Hello! You can read about it in my blog about vim: http://allaboutvim.blogspot.com/2008/01/blog-post.html On Feb 1, 7:11 pm, bill lam wrote: > Just curious.  Users who use Cyrillic (or Greek) have to shift toggle > in order to type Latin letters.  However vim by default only recognize > ascii suc

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-01 Thread Anton Sharonov
bill lam wrote: > Just curious. Users who use Cyrillic (or Greek) have to shift > toggle in order to type Latin letters. However vim by default > only recognize ascii such as hjkl or modkey+ascii such . > Will it be very clumsy to use vim to edit text such as email? I use 'keymap' option (for c

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-01 Thread Agathoklis D. Hatzimanikas
On Sun, Feb 01, at 08:29 Cyril Slobin wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Tony Mechelynck > wrote: > > > t f etc.). Use 'langmap' if your keyboard normally sends non-Latin text > > (Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, whatever) and you want to change the > > interpretation in Normal and Com

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-01 Thread Tony Mechelynck
On 01/02/09 18:29, Cyril Slobin wrote: > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Tony Mechelynck > wrote: > >> t f etc.). Use 'langmap' if your keyboard normally sends non-Latin text >> (Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, whatever) and you want to change the >> interpretation in Normal and Command-line mo

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-01 Thread Cyril Slobin
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > t f etc.). Use 'langmap' if your keyboard normally sends non-Latin text > (Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, whatever) and you want to change the > interpretation in Normal and Command-line modes. Plea from a Russian Vim user: 'langmap' do

Re: how does russians use vim?

2009-02-01 Thread Tony Mechelynck
On 01/02/09 17:11, bill lam wrote: > Just curious. Users who use Cyrillic (or Greek) have to shift toggle > in order to type Latin letters. However vim by default only recognize > ascii such as hjkl or modkey+ascii such. Will it be very clumsy > to use vim to edit text such as email? >

how does russians use vim?

2009-02-01 Thread bill lam
Just curious. Users who use Cyrillic (or Greek) have to shift toggle in order to type Latin letters. However vim by default only recognize ascii such as hjkl or modkey+ascii such . Will it be very clumsy to use vim to edit text such as email? -- regards, ===