Try setting up Touch ID and a passcode
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> On Nov 18, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Craig Werner wrote:
>
> Fazil, I have been thinking about your problem ever since I posted
> yesterday. It occurs to me that perhaps we are not dealing with a
> cultural concern
Yes, I have no trouble saying no, but I do it gently and courteously at
first. However, I understand where that might not be possible in different
cultures. I'm not sure what the best approach would be in this situation. I
tried to think about it last night.
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Fazil, I have been thinking about your problem ever since I posted
yesterday. It occurs to me that perhaps we are not dealing with a
cultural concern as much as you might think. Is there really a
cultural expectation about showing a phone? That is, have cultural
norms and expectations been
Thank you very much everybody, I got great ideas and I am sure I can protect
myself now more effectively. Thanks again everyone, you guys are great! And I
love you all!
Fazil.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
RobH.
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feels like an attitude towards the blind where offending those on whom they
could depend, could have serious repercussions.
Defending a position from one of lesser rights is never an easy one.
Since this is drifting OT, we should stick to the suggestions of How, and leave
Why out of it.
All
Well then I really don't think culture has anything to do with it. My culture
tries to dictate what I should
Do, but in this day and age, you don't need to be dictated too. My culture's
quite strict, but if I put boundaries there, no one has that right to overstep
them. People make too much of
Well who started this culture thing anyway. It's all very well saying that, but
it was being discussed.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
RobH.
Sent: Wednesday, 18 November 2015 9:26 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
I entirely agree with you on this. I raise it as some response are from
cultures that are a lot more lax about etiquet and manners.
Culterual difference exists and effects these things.
All the technical advice so far, has been good and workable afaik.
Rh.
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This is a cultural thing.
"No!" could be a great and damning breechof etiquet.
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From: "Larry Lumpkin"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 10:36 PM
Subject: RE: They Want To See My Phone And I can Not Say No, What
Hi, list.
I have IPhone6Plus with IOS9.02.
In Indian Culture it is ok to ask you to show me your phone if you are my
acquaintance.
Lots of sighted relatives of mine want me to give my Iphone to them so they
can see it and I don't feel comfortable doing that and I can not say plain
'no' to them.
All of those things plus the fingerprint scanner being enabled should
work just fine. Voiceover will irritate them eventually, and you can
tell them you don't know how to disable it.
I would say to set clear boundaries, but I understand how that's more
complicated than it sounds. Good luck.
It’s not that simple. As they explained , it’s a cultural thing. Ideally,
saying no would be the best option, but due to the cultural complications,
things like dimming the screen, leaving VO on or perhaps enabling guided access
or turning on one of those restrictive settings to make the user
I wouldn't let anybody play with my phone, unless I really knew them well.
They could just steal it. Even then I think the screen curtain idea is a
pretty good one. If you're worried about them using the phone to make a call or
something, you could put the phone in airplane mode. That way no
Add a passcode.
Paul
From: Fazil
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: They Want To See My Phone And I can Not Say No, What Should I Do?
Hi, list.
I have IPhone6Plus with IOS9.02.
In Indian Culture it is ok to ask you to show me your phone if you
Just stay close and leave VO on so you can hear what they're doing,
and this way they won't be able to use it correctly because of VO's
different gesture system, now that's an idea! Keep them thinking that
it's a blind iphone!
El 17/11/2015 11:21 a.m., Fazil escribió:
Hi, list.
I have
well,
there are a number of means you can use to secure your phone. SOme have already
been suggested in this thread. I would have to do more digging, but using
screen curtain, along with a screen lock passcode would certainly be a good
deterrent to those nosy family members.
also, consider
what is it that they want to do with your phone? Do they just want to hold it?
Just make sure that your phone is locked with a passcode and thumb print. Lock
the phone before you hand it over. If the phone is locked with a pass code and
voice Over is on, they should hand it right back to you.
If I recall, I thought a sighted person told me they could see how to turn
screen curtin off?
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Nalda
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: They Want To See
With that high speech-rate how can I bring the rate lower as I won’t be able to
understand what VO is saying?
Thanks!
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:
Hi Fazil,
In my experience, even just having Voiceover on makes the phone fairly
difficult to use for a sighted person, since the Voiceover gestures are very
different from the way a sighted person would normally interact with a touch
screen device.
So if you then had screen curtain on, the
Yes, and when you hand it to them, do as someone else has already said, It's
for blind people. I don't know if it will work for you."
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dave
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:14 PM
To:
Well take this one. Nobody, but nobody, gets six inches near my phone. You have
to be strict on that one, because if they didn't pay for your phone, then
that's a lot of money for them to maybe change settings to satisfy themselves.
The word No! should cut it. I think people have just about
@Fazil
Well, I would recommend you to do as many of the people said here: use
passcode, or thumlock, or bowth. But, as I my self come from similar
culture, I don't understand why you can't set some rules what they
can, and what they cannot do with your phone. I do have nosy people
around me, and
turn your screen brightness down to zero. turn on voiceover, put on your
screen curtain, and if you haven't set a pass code, then set one, but don't
tell them. When they ask to see your phone, try and unlock it, without them
seeing you have a pass code, and when they have taken a look, put it
a couple of things i forgot, that also might help.
besides the stuff, i said in my last post, speed up your voiceover, and if
you have any private messages, you wouldn't want them to see, you could copy
and paste them into a notes application, then delete the original SMS
message.
Dave.
Hello,
Here, 100% speech rate, curtain on, but no password. This is an iPad, though.
Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.
> On 17 Nov 2015, at 5:21 p.m., Fazil wrote:
>
> Hi, list.
> I have IPhone6Plus with IOS9.02.
> In Indian Culture it is ok to ask
Hello,
I go paranoid if I have to turn off VO, so for most of it, I'll either have a
look, or leave VO on to monitor them.
Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.
> On 17 Nov 2015, at 6:12 p.m., Pete Nalda wrote:
>
> I wouldn't let anybody play with my phone,
bring the speach rate down, to a level you are comfortable with.
believe me! it will still be to fast for most sighted people.
Dave.
From: Fazil
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: They Want To See My Phone And I can Not Say No, What Should I Do?
Fazil, if your relatives insist on your turning VoiceOver off, you
might consider telling them it can be done, but if for some reason VO
cannot be toggled on again, the phone is useless to you. The idea
here is to impress on them the risk you and they are taking in using
the phone while at the
Fazil, you are indeed in a sticky situation. Instead of making your
phone very difficult--if not impossible--to use, would you consider
telling your sighted relatives that they may use it, but if something
happens to it, it is a specially-modified phone that is difficult and
terribly expensive
Or, try asking them if you can show them how it works for you. If they sit next
to you or stand behind you, they can watch you use the phone.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Craig Werner
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015
Hello,
Sorry about that; forgot not everyone likes high rates. Well, Here are 2 more
things, instead. Disable hints, disable accessibility short cut, and disable
Siri, for the time being.
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> On 17 Nov 2015, at 9:02 p.m., Fazil
I’m sorry, but if I didn’t want hem to see my phone, I’d just say no.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
rajmund
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: They Want To See My Phone And I can Not Say No,
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