Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Dave CROCKER
Michael, On 1/20/2012 10:04 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: If such a fee were to offset this "reduction", then the push towards RPS might be revenue neutral, or even positive, and that would help remove some of the hurdles. Hmmm. Since Paul concurs with my assessment that the current thread

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jan 20, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > I didn't put: > >> o If the tools make regular IETF meetings and interim meetings much >> more effective, the IETF might be able to reduce the number of >> regular meetings each year from three to two. This would >> signific

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Wes Beebee
>>> I thought that the point was to determine whether the IETF is financially >>> incentivized to facilitate remote participation or whether the bar for >>> enhancing remote participation was something other than technological or >>> social. >> >> >> Except that that isn't in scope for the curren

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Wes" == Wes Beebee writes: Wes> I thought that the point was to determine whether the IETF is Wes> financially incentivized to facilitate remote participation or Wes> whether the bar for enhancing remote participation was Wes> something other than technological or social.

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > On 1/20/2012 9:25 AM, Wes Beebee wrote: >> Peter - >> >> I thought that the point was to determine whether the IETF is financially >> incentivized to facilitate remote participation or whether the bar for >> enhancing remote participation was som

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 1/20/2012 9:25 AM, Wes Beebee wrote: Peter - I thought that the point was to determine whether the IETF is financially incentivized to facilitate remote participation or whether the bar for enhancing remote participation was something other than technological or social. Except that that

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ah, I thought it was more about technology. Carry on. :) On 1/20/12 10:25 AM, Wes Beebee wrote: > Peter - > > I thought that the point was to determine whether the IETF is financially > incentivized to facilitate remote participation or whether the bar for > enhancing remote participation was som

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Marshall" == Marshall Eubanks writes: Marshall> If you cut out one meeting per year, you will cut revenue ... Marshall> ... $ 1.1 million in all. Marshall> You will reduce expenses by (VERY roughly) by $ 1.2 Marshall> million. Thank you for this analysis. It is precisely

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Wes Beebee
Peter - I thought that the point was to determine whether the IETF is financially incentivized to facilitate remote participation or whether the bar for enhancing remote participation was something other than technological or social. - Wes On 1/20/12 12:15 PM, "Peter Saint-Andre" wrote: > Is t

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Paul" == Paul Hoffman writes: >> Paul, it would be useful if the document could indicate what >> portion of the IETF meeting revenue goes to support non-meeting >> activities. Paul> Three IAOC members have weighed in on why I don't want to do Paul> that in the draft. S

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Is this thread at all related to vmeet? Is there a better venue for such discussions? /psa ___ NOTE WELL: This list operates according to http://mipassoc.org/dkim/ietf-list-rules.html. https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/vmeet

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Ray" == Ray Pelletier writes: >> The IAOC reports on meeting revenue and expenses each plenary. >> The numbers are in the proceedings. Ray> Also see: http://iaoc.ietf.org/mfstatement_detail.html Thank you, this is the page I wanted. Quebec generated $316,608 towards operatio

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 1/20/2012 3:41 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: There is a financial question that I think is relevant, though. What is the budget for this? But requirements that may seem reasonable if your budget is $100,000 per meeting would not if your budget is $10,000 per meeting. There are perhaps four differ

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Jan 20, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > There is a financial question that I think is relevant, though. What is the > budget for this? But requirements that may seem reasonable if your budget is > $100,000 per meeting would not if your budget is $10,000 per meeting. I'm not sure that is

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > > On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > >> I hope that this analysis is useful. Again, this is just my take on >> things, and I am solely responsible for any errors. If you want to >> poke and prod the numbers, I would be glad to

Re: [vmeet] financial question

2012-01-20 Thread Yoav Nir
On Jan 20, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > I hope that this analysis is useful. Again, this is just my take on > things, and I am solely responsible for any errors. If you want to > poke and prod the numbers, I would be glad to discuss this further, on > this list (if the Chair approv