Re: [VoiceOps] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Peter Beckman
Ooooh I like that one! The thread got a little confusing -- Are we talking about using NTP as a client on VMs? Or using VMs to run NTP servers? If as a server: Hell NAH! Don't do it. Like everyone said, the clock available to the OS isn't reliable, you don't want its drift to a

Re: [VoiceOps] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Tim Bray via VoiceOps
On 17/02/2020 21:52, Mike Hammett wrote: How many NTP servers do you guys run? I just spun up two NTP servers in different locations on this network. Metaswitch just asked me for at least four (preferably five, or even more). Right now, the ones I have are just referencing the US pool. Eventua

Re: [VoiceOps] [External] Re: [External] Re: [External] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I was looking to get a couple Pis and use them to feed the VMs, but we don't currently have many (any) places on our fiber plant to locate even a Pi GPS box. That'll change in the coming months, but that's not now. BTW: It seems like it's about $50 per hat to add GPS to a Pi, so we're probably

Re: [VoiceOps] [External] Re: [External] Re: [External] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Hunter Fuller
I wouldn't call it incredibly oversubscribed, though we are getting a little close on memory these days. http://hf0002.uah.edu/sharex/chrome_nj0IR7SmQr.png We would have pursued it more, but after reading that the general wisdom was to not do it, we just stopped doing it, and things got better, a

Re: [VoiceOps] [External] Re: [External] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Hunter Fuller
I wouldn't say we need it to be "really precise," but we do need it within a couple of seconds, and on ESXi 6 we were seeing boxes as far as 500ms off. It may not apply to all VM environments, so I guess it could be worth testing. But it certainly scared me off. With physical NTP servers we achieve

Re: [VoiceOps] [External] Re: [External] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Alex Balashov
Interesting. I'm thinking there's something else off there. Perhaps the hypervisor is incredibly oversubscribed? On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 04:12:59PM -0600, Hunter Fuller wrote: > I wouldn't say we need it to be "really precise," but we do need it > within a couple of seconds, and on ESXi 6 we were

Re: [VoiceOps] [External] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Alex Balashov
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 04:00:25PM -0600, Hunter Fuller wrote: > On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 3:57 PM Mike Hammett > wrote: > > Is having four VMs running NTP a ridiculous proposition (well, other > > than resources, which it'll consume very little)? > > Yes. NTP servers should never run in VMs. I d

Re: [VoiceOps] [External] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Hunter Fuller
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 3:57 PM Mike Hammett wrote: > Is having four VMs running NTP a ridiculous proposition (well, other than > resources, which it'll consume very little)? Yes. NTP servers should never run in VMs. Here's a good overview: https://serverfault.com/questions/106501/what-are-the-

[VoiceOps] NTP Question

2020-02-17 Thread Mike Hammett
How many NTP servers do you guys run? I just spun up two NTP servers in different locations on this network. Metaswitch just asked me for at least four (preferably five, or even more). Right now, the ones I have are just referencing the US pool. Eventually, they'll reference on-net GPS-ba