Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: Mike Carrell wrote: Pay attention: target "was". He did get investments from electric utilities. He and others would have billions of dollars to work with if only he would take steps to convince the world the effect is real. He'd also be in line for Nobel prize, assuming his

RE: The SMOT game over, Greg Watson gone

2005-05-05 Thread John Steck
A cynic is nothing more than a frustrated optimist... this list abounds with cynics. Watson, if that was the same person who used that name before, played on that defect we all seem to share. Our willingness to suspend doubt and replace it with hope. Worse yet, he managed to fleece a few of us t

Re: Koldomasov and Joule

2005-05-05 Thread Jones Beene
Harry Veeder writes, But, at a recent conference, a Russian scientist, A.I. Koldomasov [snip] http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/216koldomasov.html It's another kind of cavitation reaction, but I'm almost certain that Prof. Kowalski considers this one to be suspicious. However, there is an

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread orionworks
> From: Jed Rothwell ... > This kind of thinking disturbs me. It boils down to the > notion that people are not capable of doing what we > have actually done. The corollary is that we are somehow > incapable of making revolutionary changes or revitalizing > civilization. ... Lighten up Jed. Th

Re: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread Terry Blanton
Keith Nagel wrote: And more importantly, my birthday. Bully! My mother 5/1 My first wife 5/5 My current wife 5/9

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Terry Blanton
Jed Rothwell wrote: By 1971 integrated circuits were already one of the largest industries on earth. Indeed. The HP35 scientific calculator was introduced when I was a sophomore at GaTech in 1973. It cost $635.

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Mitchell Swartz
At 04:54 PM 5/5/2005, Rothwell wrote: There have been no LENR demos! Demos may not even be possible. Utter nonsense. JET Thermal Products gave an open demonstration of a robust cold fusion Phusor system at MIT for a week at ICCF10. John Dash also gave a demonstration on that Tuesday. But

Re: ICCF-11 papers are depressing

2005-05-05 Thread Mitchell Swartz
At 05:43 PM 5/2/2005, Rothwellwrote: This field is dying, and I cannot think of any way to save it. - Jed Utter nonsense. Cold fusion research and development is (and has been) very much alive. Success in the field requires advanced calculus, metallurgy and engineering. Much will be covered at

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, the book made no reference at all to the possibility that any of the companies who worked on developing the chip had been influenced by any kind of so-called "alien technology." That hypothesis is damned nonsense! It is pernicious, dangerous nonsense. I person

Re: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread leaking pen
but which is which? (bloody reply going to person, not list.) and in response keith "is a thing worthless becuase it is new? has it worth then because it is old? where the diamond has first pierced the way the softest silk can thread the pearl" unnattributed sanskrit poet. written approx 18-

RE: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is not today Cingo-de-mayo- the celibration of Mexicos triumph over Maximillian?- Ges

RE: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread Keith Nagel
A couple lines for you, old friend. Coffee beans, and physics schemes, Jones Beene dreams, of energy machines. Paranoid skeins, left coast leans, writes his mandelas, upon the starry wheel. Elvis, of Vortexville. K. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu

1972 computer textbook describes ICs

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
A few quotes from: Sanders, D., Computers in Business, an Introduction. 2 ed. 1972: McGraw-Hill. The third-generation computers, introduced in 1964, make use of microelectronics, or integrated, circuits on a large scale. Such circuits may be almost microscopic, but they contain the equivalent of

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread orionworks
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... > For what it's worth, I recently read a fascinating book > that described the history of "the chip". How it came > into being. Based on what I read much of what Mr. Carrell > has had to say on this subject appears to be pretty > accurate. > PS: Vorts! Humor me

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For what it's worth, I recently read a fascinating book that described the history of "the chip". How it came into being. Based on what I read much of what Mr. Carrell has had to say on this subject appears to be pretty accurate. Believe me, he got it wrong. I have not r

Re: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread Steven Krivit
Awesome! At 12:19 PM 5/5/2005, you wrote: Today is 05/05/05. - Jed

Re: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread thomas malloy
Keith Weishaupt opines, somewhat heedless to the hidden cadre of p'noid conspiracy-theorist, witch-hunting lurkers on Vo... And more importantly, my birthday. Yup...;-) I was just waiting to see if anyone would be "outed" today as an Illuminati... but never did I guess it was good ole Keith ..

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: Pay attention: target "was". He did get investments from electric utilities. He and others would have billions of dollars to work with if only he would take steps to convince the world the effect is real. He would have literally hundreds of thousands of times more manpower an

RE: Arie DeGeus

2005-05-05 Thread thomas malloy
Frank Grimer wrote; >Incidently, the late Dr. Robert Carroll, who was a consultant to our firm the last dozen years of his life, predicted the importance of fractional >quantum states >of his work. He tried to patent a really cold fusion reactor, down close to >absolute zero, many years prior

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread orionworks
> From: "Mike Carrell" ... > As I recall, the first integrated circuits did not cause > much of a stir, because the computer market at the time > had accomodated to the idea of cards with a few gates or > flip-flops on it. The Army was investing heavy bucks > inthe micromod program, which used st

Re: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread Jones Beene
Keith Weishaupt opines, somewhat heedless to the hidden cadre of p'noid conspiracy-theorist, witch-hunting lurkers on Vo... And more importantly, my birthday. Yup...;-) I was just waiting to see if anyone would be "outed" today as an Illuminati... but never did I guess it was good ole Keith ..

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Mike Carrell
Chris Zell wrote: >Are you saying that Jeff Fink ( or anybody) has replicated the PAGD > claims? Has he -or anyone- obtained results that might be overunity? > > Thanks I only said he invested considerable effort. He did not succeed, but neither did he faithfully replicate what is in the

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Mike Carrell
Jed wrote: > Mike Carrell wrote: > > >Jed was not paying close enough attention then or now. Mills abandoned > >electrolytic cells because he could not get a high enough energy density. > > I realize that is what he said. > > > >His target then was utility boilers. > > That "target" is insanity s

RE: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Keith Nagel wrote: And more importantly, my birthday. How nice! Congratulations. From the sublime to the ridiculous. Or as Stan Kelly-Bootle put it, from the sublime to cor' blimey. - Jed

RE: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread Keith Nagel
DOH! I meant Wordsworth... *** Five years have past: five summers, with the length Of five long winters! And again I hear These waters, rolling from their mountain-springs With a soft inland murmur. — Once again Do I behold these steep and lofty cliffs, That

Re: Spiral helixes

2005-05-05 Thread Harvey Norris
--- Grimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is a rather nice polarization applet at: > > http://home3.netcarrier.com/~chan/EM/PROGRAMS/POLARIZATION/ > > From it one can get an immediate and clear > conception of the > nature of circular polarization and elliptical > polarization as > well for

RE: The SMOT game over, Greg Watson gone

2005-05-05 Thread William Beaty
On Thu, 5 May 2005, Michael Foster wrote: > Aw, c'mon, Bill. Don't you think you're being unkind to > the morally handicapped? I was sort of getting kick out > the dodging and weaving. Heh. I had my fill of this way back in the "Mitch" era. Also, I started out as one of these "liar" types mys

RE: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread Keith Nagel
And more importantly, my birthday. Perhaps some Tennyson is in order. * FIVE years have past; five summers, with the length Of five long winters! and again I hear These waters, rolling from their mountain-springs With a soft inland murmur.--Once aga

Re: OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread orionworks
> From: Jed Rothwell > > Today is 05/05/05. > > - Jed > Yeah, tell me about it. I'm trying to perform DB2 SQL queries against mainframe tables within Microsoft Access. Using the "DateValue" function for today's date ('05/05/05') is damn confusing! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWor

OFF TOPIC Today's date

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Today is 05/05/05. - Jed

Skepticism and the Scientific Method (fwd)

2005-05-05 Thread William Beaty
Society for Scientific Exploration annual May conference in Florida... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 03:03:27 +0900 From: Marty Cawthon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SSE-members] Skepticism and the Scientific Method Fellow Members of the S

RE: The SMOT game over, Greg Watson gone

2005-05-05 Thread Michael Foster
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RE: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Zell, Chris
Are you saying that Jeff Fink ( or anybody) has replicated the PAGD claims? Has he -or anyone- obtained results that might be overunity? Thanks -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:54 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: R

Re : Magnetically Aligned CF Reactions, in H2O?

2005-05-05 Thread Frederick Sparber
Hi Keith.   The local "Dollar Store" provided eighty-one  8 oz. Styrofoam cups (236 milliliter), two identical "insulated" drinking cups with press-on lids, and a Styrofoam picnic chest for $4.50 plus tax total.   The stack of Nd ring super magnets (ten 10 mm OD x 5 mm IDwith tissue paper spacer

RE: Odd Electrostatic Phenomenon

2005-05-05 Thread Keith Nagel
Hi Mike, Try Richard Hull. His group did the first modern studies of this phenomena to my knowledge, I remember reading about them in the late Charles Yosts "Electric Spacecraft Journal" Issue #9, 1993. Here's a hint of the article from googling... http://www.pupman.com/listarchives/1996/march/m

Re: Finsrud device

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: Yawn, While a PM machine would be significant, I fail to see where it would produce much energy, enough to charge a battery perhaps, but rock the bedrock of physics, naw. Oh come now! Surely you realize the laws of thermodynamics indicate that any kind of perpetual motion ma

Koldomasov and Joule

2005-05-05 Thread Harry Veeder
"One of the most important achievements of the 19th century physics was the discovery that a well defined emount of mechanical work is needed to generate one unit of heat -- not less and not more. Joule demonstrated this in a well known paddle wheel experiment. Water was forced to flow through sm

Odd Electrostatic Phenomenon

2005-05-05 Thread Michael Foster
It is well known that a high voltage AC corona source will effectively discharge practically all electrostatic charges from an insulator. Commercial devices based on this principle are used to remove the static charges from plastic films as they are wound through machinery. In addition to such

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: Jed was not paying close enough attention then or now. Mills abandoned electrolytic cells because he could not get a high enough energy density. I realize that is what he said. His target then was utility boilers. That "target" is insanity squared. It reminds of the old Bob New

re: finsrud device

2005-05-05 Thread Stephen R. Lawrence
I think if I were concealing anything, I'd put 3 solenoids in the base to inject momentum into the swinging pendulums at the relevant rate, powered by similarly concealed battery. From: Stephen R. Lawrence, 8 Supanee Court, French's Road, Cambridge, England, CB4 3LB. Tel/Fax +44 1223 564373

Re: Pykrete was RE: BLP implementation path

2005-05-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Standing Bear wrote: It was too put forth to mollify the public. People wanted a weapon that magically slew the 'enemy'. Every account that I have read says it was secret. If you can point to some other account saying it was public, please list it. One Brit idea was the 'solid searchlight'. Yo

Re: Jed about Mills

2005-05-05 Thread Mike Carrell
Jed wrote: > > > > > > Ditto claims by Mills and Correa. As far as I know, the only anomalous > > > energy claim that has claimed any scientific basis in conventional theory > > > is cold fusion. Of course many people disagree, but Hagelstein and others > > > believe it can be explained with textb

RE: 1997 - 2005 the missing SMOT years

2005-05-05 Thread Public
> ... BLP has tantalizing results reported > by _one_ > lab and an outlandish theory to explain these results which > nobody else > has ever achieved AFAIK. I wrote to the team at Penn State, several years ago, who had replicated one of Mill's excess heat experiments under contract. They replied

Re: Finsrud device

2005-05-05 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 4 May 2005, Mike Carrell wrote: > This is actually not new; the ball has been happily rolling around for > years, to my knowledge. It is on display in a public museum. Someone who first posted the Finsrud articles mentioned that the machine wears out and must be taken down for adjustments

The SMOT game over, Greg Watson gone

2005-05-05 Thread William Beaty
On Sun, 1 May 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > If I can show you the SMOT (same design as in 1997) is OU, then why > can't you believe I did what I claimed back then? On second thought, I no longer play this kind of "game." You're free to play the persecuted martyr card instead. You're banned

The SMOT game

2005-05-05 Thread William Beaty
On Sun, 1 May 2005, Prometheus Effect wrote: > I don't have the documentation you require but the event did occur. If I > can show you the SMOT (same design as in 1997) is OU, then why can't you > believe I did what I claimed back then? It's because you're controlling information, playing some so

Re: Finsrud device

2005-05-05 Thread thomas malloy
> Public wrote: > >> Have you seen this?: > PM of the first kind using static magnets goes down to the bedrock of > all physics for the last couple centuries and dynamites it. Yawn, While a PM machine would be significant, I fail to see where it would produce much energy, enough to charge a