Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread John Berry
On 9/17/06, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In reply to  John Berry's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:29:05+1200:Hi,[snip]>> BTW I also suspect that it is real, because the measured mass>> change was +2 gm in one orientation, and -2 gm when turned upside >> down. This is not the sort

Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to John Berry's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:29:05 +1200: Hi, [snip] >> BTW I also suspect that it is real, because the measured mass >> change was +2 gm in one orientation, and -2 gm when turned upside >> down. This is not the sort of thing that results from measurement >> error caused

Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread John Berry
On 9/17/06, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In reply to  John Berry's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:10:37+1200:Hi,[snip]>> >No Kyle, your mistaken. You doubt KE = 1/2mv^2?>>>Not in anything other than reactionless propulsion. Who says it's reactionless? Personally, I think it re

Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread John Berry
Indeed, it would seem that the hypothesized preferred frame would act as the "road". Or the "air". There is another word that could be used, it startswith an "e" (or "ae") but I will remain a gentleman. :)I'm not so much of a gentleman then.  > But if you accept that Morton and ATGroup and especial

Re: [Vo]: Another ZPE Company

2006-09-16 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to OrionWorks's message of Sat, 16 Sep 2006 16:49:52 -0700: Hi, SN-AKOIL :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.

Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
Hi, Here's a variation on a theme. An atom may be seen as a small spherical resonant chamber, with infinite Q, with EM energy in it. In that respect it looks like one of these drive units, except that it wouldn't develop any force because it is symmetrical. If placed in a severely asymmetric inten

Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to John Berry's message of Sun, 17 Sep 2006 10:10:37 +1200: Hi, [snip] >> >No Kyle, your mistaken. >> >> You doubt KE = 1/2mv^2? > > >Not in anything other than reactionless propulsion. Who says it's reactionless? Personally, I think it reacts against space itself via the interaction tha

Re: [Vo]: Another ZPE Company

2006-09-16 Thread Mark Goldes
The Russian work first surfaced in the now defunct, very uneven, journal published by Frolov in St. Petersburg. There was a picture of a "transformator" in an issue back at least two years. Perhaps two or three issues before the publication ran out of money and closed down. Frolov now sells

Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: John Berry To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor Not in anything other than reactionless propulsion. But why make it a special case? But you must assume that the reactionle

Re: [Vo]: Another ZPE Company

2006-09-16 Thread OrionWorks
Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have these folks beat Goldes to the punch? > > http://www.akoil.ru/en/?PHPSESSID=73ea87b97edea4362eb8a48538ec1b70 > > "02.09.2006. For the first time in the world on 2d of September, 2006 > the first electromagnetic transformers of electric energy

Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread John Berry
>No Kyle, your mistaken.You doubt KE = 1/2mv^2?Not in anything other than reactionless propulsion. To postulate a scenario where a supposedreactionless engine consumes power at a rate based on an "absolute" velocity and therefore obeys energy conservation I think is less mistaken than tosimply ass

[Vo]: Re: Fire from Ice

2006-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can you try to calculate the balance? My guess is that it is significantly below breakeven. However... and you heard it first on Vortex... ...that may not be the case if one were to use a mix - say a 50-50 mix of H20

Re: [Vo]: Re: Fire from Ice

2006-09-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On 9/16/06, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My rad-meter is much more sensitive than the normal CD variety, but the threshold is still close to 10,000 eV so a burst of x-rays at that intensity signifies significant energy. Of course, it also takes significant mechanical energy to inject t

[Vo]: Re: Fire from Ice

2006-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
Terry, Re: Electric Ice http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/13sep_electricice.htm?list920094 .. your mention of frozen English peas has jogged the memory. Here is an excerpt from the article. [BTW don't the Brits call them French Peas?] "In a thundercloud ... tiny ice crystals become

[Vo]: Another ZPE Company

2006-09-16 Thread Terry Blanton
Have these folks beat Goldes to the punch? http://www.akoil.ru/en/?PHPSESSID=73ea87b97edea4362eb8a48538ec1b70 "02.09.2006. For the first time in the world on 2d of September, 2006 the first electromagnetic transformers of electric energy were produced and tested. These transformers make electric

[Vo]: Fire from Ice

2006-09-16 Thread Terry Blanton
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/13sep_electricice.htm?list920094 Electric Ice 09.13.2006 Sept. 13, 2006: Here's something fun to try in your kitchen: Go to the freezer, open the door and pry loose an ice cube. Next, look around the freezing compartment for some frost—the crystalline fuzz

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2006-09-16 Thread Terry Blanton
The title of the post was "Autopia: Sergey and Larry's 100 mpg PHEV". Was it the colon? On 9/16/06, Terry Blanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/technology/14google.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=technology&pagewanted=print http://tinyurl.com/m78u4 September 14, 2006 P

Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor

2006-09-16 Thread Kyle R. Mcallister
- Original Message - From: John Berry To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: stationary emdrive- inertial anchor No Kyle, your mistaken. You doubt KE = 1/2mv^2? To postulate a scenario where a supposed reactionless engine consumes powe

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2006-09-16 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/technology/14google.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&ref=technology&pagewanted=print http://tinyurl.com/m78u4 September 14, 2006 Philanthropy Google's Way: Not the Usual By KATIE HAFNER SAN FRANCISCO, Sept. 13 — The ambitious founders of Google, the popular search engine c

RE: [Vo]: FW: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday September 15, 2006

2006-09-16 Thread Remi Cornwall
Bob Park has strong views on the irrelevancy of manned space exploration. Personally I'd much rather see my tax money spent on this than oil wars or pointless welfare social engineering. I'm not sure gov. bureaucrats really understand that they have the levers on human self-improvement. -Orig