Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Michel Jullian
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics ... Good, then you do acknowledge there is *real work* being done while two magnetic dipole

[Vo]: Biomanufacturing 070123

2007-01-23 Thread abundance
I expect that a diode array / lighting system with appropriate control of internal and external diode arrays, resistive heaters, and inside lamps would maintain the culture pool of coral larva, algae, or metal gathering microorganisms with the correct light at the correct temperature

Re: [Vo]: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/23/07, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the motor is unloaded, it's own inertia should carry it past the sticky spot if it is OU (assuming zero friction). This is because as it accelerates all the energy is stored in the rotor as kinetic energy. If this isn't enough to get

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics ... Good, then you do acknowledge there is *real work* being done

[Vo]: Re: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Jones Beene
Terry Blanton wrote: Precisely my conclusion last night. Well, not to repeat the obvious, but that would eliminate the need for an electromagnet at all... correct? ... OTOH providing just a flywheel for continuity would not be enough unless it were geared way up -but- then friction of

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Paul
[snip] Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Paul wrote: So you need to ask yourself where that energy comes from. I'm well aware of that. Good, then you do acknowledge there is *real work* being done while two magnetic dipole moments rotate toward alignment. Absolutely!

[Vo]: Re: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Jones Beene
six power strokes per cycle (one every 30 degrees) oops ...every 60 degrees instead of every 30 degree... but it doesn't change the general drift of the suggestion

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Paul
Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics ... Good, then you do acknowledge there is *real work*

Re: [Vo]: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/22/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True; but the energy it takes to get over the bump doesn't depend on the speed of rotation. It's the same whether you do it fast or slow. This is the error in your reasoning. Assuming the kick is an EM pulse generating, say, a 1

Re: [Vo]: Re: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/23/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: Precisely my conclusion last night. Well, not to repeat the obvious, but that would eliminate the need for an electromagnet at all... correct? Well, as of today, I am officially under contract in addition to my NDA; but,

Re: [Vo]: Geothermal desalination

2007-01-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: Where hot rocks are available as a source of geothermal power, and these are situated near the coast, salt water could be used as the water source. This would produce steam to drive turbines . . . Salt water will wreck a turbine. I doubt you can make one that would

Re: [Vo]: Re: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:40:03 -0800: Hi, [snip] six power strokes per cycle (one every 30 degrees) oops ...every 60 degrees instead of every 30 degree... but it doesn't change the general drift of the suggestion As well as multiplying the power strokes, you

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Paul wrote: [snip] Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Paul wrote: So you need to ask yourself where that energy comes from. I'm well aware of that. Good, then you do acknowledge there is *real work* being done while two magnetic dipole moments rotate toward alignment.

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Paul
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [snip] You mean sci.physics.relativity.pub? I'd like to know where physicists such as Ed Witten hang out online. :-) The news group sci.physics.relativity. It's crawling with total loonytunes with just a few real physicists. Ed Witton doesn't sound

Re: [Vo]: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Terry Blanton wrote: On 1/22/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True; but the energy it takes to get over the bump doesn't depend on the speed of rotation. It's the same whether you do it fast or slow. This is the error in your reasoning. Assuming the kick is an EM pulse

Re: [Vo]: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/23/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think you can neglect inductance, though, for a couple reasons. Agreed; however, the point was that the energy input decreases with increased RPM. The inductance must be delt with as the RPM increases. If you plot the current

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread John Berry
Well, first let me explain something. I didn't pay much attention to the post I initially replied to, I didn't pay any attention to the subject line and assumed it was a discussion going on in a different list where the list owner (Bill Alek) expressed that he does not believe that any magnetic

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics ... Good, then you do acknowledge there is *real work* being

Re: [Vo]: More on the Bettery

2007-01-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:30:31 -0800: Hi, [snip] http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/ The first two comments, at the end of the article, are interesting regarding the technology, but are not dispositive of whether or not this company is for real with

[Vo]: Re: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Jones Beene
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: six power strokes per cycle As well as multiplying the power strokes, you also multiply the sticky points. Yes, of course. I think you got almost there - to finding a glimmer of the ultimate tactic to push this to the limit. What we need to add into the

Re: [Vo]: Re: The Circular Magnetic Gradient

2007-01-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On 1/23/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: six power strokes per cycle As well as multiplying the power strokes, you also multiply the sticky points. Yes, of course. I think you got almost there - to finding a glimmer of the ultimate tactic to push this to

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Paul wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [snip] You mean sci.physics.relativity.pub? I'd like to know where physicists such as Ed Witten hang out online. :-) The news group sci.physics.relativity. It's crawling with total loonytunes with just a few real physicists. Ed Witton

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-23 Thread Paul
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Paul wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: [snip] You mean sci.physics.relativity.pub? I'd like to know where physicists such as Ed Witten hang out online. :-) The news group sci.physics.relativity. It's crawling with total loonytunes