Re: [Vo]:Clem: FE device turns out real

2009-11-10 Thread Michel Jullian
Subject line is misleading :) Real (and efficient it seems, they claim higher efficiency than diesel), but neither FE nor OU, right? I don't understand what becomes of the GHGs: http://www.micro-combustion.com/ : 3.Does not emit greenhouse gases (Produces but doesn’t emit). I imagine this

[Vo]:Swine flu

2009-11-10 Thread Taylor J. Smith
Horace wrote on 11-10-09: United States Patent Application 20090010962 Kind Code A1 Palese; Peter ; et al. January 8, 2009 Serial No.: 628292 Series Code: 11 Filed: June 1, 2005 PCT Filed: June 1, 2005 PCT NO: PCT/US2005/019382 371 Date: February 6, 2008 So, a generic patent for ns1 gene

Re: [Vo]:Reactionless propulsion

2009-11-10 Thread froarty572
Abd,    You are correct that Shawyer does not specifically make any claim regarding space-time . My interpretation should have been clearly demarcated. My intent was to suggest a possible scenario where the EM drive might be plausible - Whether shawyer considered reativistic effects induced

RE: [Vo]:Clem: FE device turns out real

2009-11-10 Thread Jones Beene
Good point about the Schaeffer similarity, Chris. http://www.rexresearch.com/schaeffe/schaeffer.htm However, when you throw in Griggs (and the other pump anomalies) and then add-in all of the sonoluminescence material which is out there, it would be a losing cause for the government or

RE: [Vo]:Clem: FE device turns out real

2009-11-10 Thread Chris Zell
here we go:   http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2005/0039434.html   Save a copy.  Ya never know

Re: [Vo]:Park, memory ..some debunkers are pseudoscientists

2009-11-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:39 AM 11/9/2009, William Beaty wrote: If an odd phenomenon needs investigation, then science is the way to go. But if debunkers claim to be investigating an odd phenomenon, yet they're secretly certain that the phenomenon isn't real ...then they're not just debunkers. They're

Re: [Vo]:Reactionless propulsion

2009-11-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:43 AM 11/10/2009, froarty...@comcast.net wrote: Abd, You are correct that Shawyer does not specifically make any claim regarding space-time. My interpretation should have been clearly demarcated. My intent was to suggest a possible scenario where the EM drive might be plausible Not

Re: [Vo]:Reactionless propulsion

2009-11-10 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 8:28:18 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Reactionless propulsion At 07:14 AM 11/8/2009, Michel Jullian wrote: The group velocity of the

Re: [Vo]:Park, memory ..some debunkers are pseudoscientists

2009-11-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Abd sez: ... I'm not ready yet, but, looking ahead, do you think I could get Robert Park to denounce my Kitchen Fusion kits? Just drop him a line when you get up to speed. I bet he would oblige. No problemo! ;-) (Too bad it's not fission, Kitchen Fission would be a great name. I suppose

Re: [Vo]:Reactionless propulsion

2009-11-10 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 8:28:18 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Reactionless propulsion At 07:14 AM 11/8/2009, Michel Jullian wrote: The group velocity of the

Re: [Vo]:Reactionless drive claim: Emdrive

2009-11-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Horace Heffner wrote: I have no idea what this might mean in terms of what would happen if they should hit some atoms along the way though, as the atom apparent mass might be infinite. Also, the mass presented to the incoming atoms would be infinite. A practical case of the irresistible

Re: [Vo]:Reactionless drive claim: Emdrive

2009-11-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Horace Heffner wrote: Silly me! You don't have to travel faster than c to cross the universe! As you approach c with respect to the local universe, it shrinks! You then have less distance to travel at your near c speed. There is no limit to your apparent speed. cf Tau Zero by Poul