Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-18 Thread Horace Heffner
On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:09 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: Ah, yes, this is what I was missing. Even though I still believe the surface charge density is uniform on _most_ of the thin conducting disk surface (as it is on the plates of a parallel plate capacitor), I now realize the non-uniform charges

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-17 Thread Michel Jullian
2008/10/16 Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: But if you get closer and closer to a finite disk of charge, whether on-axis or off-axis, it will look more and more like an infinite sheet of charge, because the 1/r^2 law makes the effect of

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-17 Thread Horace Heffner
On Oct 16, 2008, at 11:17 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: 2008/10/16 Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: But if you get closer and closer to a finite disk of charge, whether on-axis or off-axis, it will look more and more like an infinite sheet

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-16 Thread Michel Jullian
2008/10/15 Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... Agreed! It appears I am mistaken about the field lines near the plane of a finite 2D disc. I was confused by thinking I knew the field lines at a charged surface become normal to the surface as you approach the surface (in the limit). This

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-16 Thread Horace Heffner
On Oct 15, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: 2008/10/15 Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... Agreed! It appears I am mistaken about the field lines near the plane of a finite 2D disc. I was confused by thinking I knew the field lines at a charged surface become normal to the

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-16 Thread Michel Jullian
But if you get closer and closer to a finite disk of charge, whether on-axis or off-axis, it will look more and more like an infinite sheet of charge, because the 1/r^2 law makes the effect of the most remote charges rapidly negligible compared to that of the closest ones right under you. So the

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-16 Thread Horace Heffner
On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:17 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: But if you get closer and closer to a finite disk of charge, whether on-axis or off-axis, it will look more and more like an infinite sheet of charge, because the 1/r^2 law makes the effect of the most remote charges rapidly negligible

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-15 Thread Horace Heffner
On Oct 14, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:08:35 -0800: Hi, [snip] I disagree. You are ignoring the 1/r^2 nature of gravity or electrostatic charge. The field near a line charge is 1/r normal to the line. The field

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-15 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: ... matter with some z axis velocity and a stable circular orbit will essentially sustain simple harmonic motion in the z axis ... . That should say: ... matter with some z axis velocity and a stable circular orbit will essentially sustain oscillating in the z axis ... . The

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2008-10-15 Thread Horace Heffner
... bobbing parabolas ... Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity? - discs.gif - segements.gif

2008-10-14 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:08:35 -0800: Hi, [snip] I disagree. You are ignoring the 1/r^2 nature of gravity or electrostatic charge. The field near a line charge is 1/r normal to the line. The field near a plane charge is uniform and normal to the plane.