Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-28 Thread Nick Palmer
I've been a bit busy this last week so I'll just tidy up on the responses to my thread. Horace - I changed the ambiguous wording from our personal spaceship to I then went on to calculate what size our individual “spaceship” would be today within which we each metaphorically have to live our

Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Nick Palmer's message of Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:30:59 -: Hi Nick, [snip] The purpose of my calculations was simply to blast these people out of their complacency with simple maths that is easily checkable. [snip] In that case, might I suggest a table of numbers indicating exactly

Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-23 Thread Nick Palmer
NP Surprisingly, our personal spaceship works out to be a globe only about 1.18 kilometres in diameter HH This is wrong by orders of magnitude by inspection. Such a sphere would easily fit within a 10.6 km envelope around the earth. No, one's personal space on Earth is a piece of land and

Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Nick Palmer's message of Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:17:33 -: Hi, [snip] I was trying to find out what people thought of these figures - were they surprisingly small/big/about what you expected etc? [snip] IMO they are completely meaningless, because they imply that we actually have

Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
There are some authoritative figures on living space and arable land in Pimentel et al. Remind me to dig them up on Monday. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Mar 21, 2008, at 4:40 PM, Nick Palmer wrote: Could Vorts look over the paragraph below and give me their opinion on it (also please check the maths). It is part of an article I am writing for our newspaper on sustainability. Perhaps people do not realise how little

Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-22 Thread Horace Heffner
On Mar 22, 2008, at 11:01 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: Using an earth radius of 6371 km. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth The density of air at the earth's surface is 1.2 kg/m^3, The mean mass of the atmosphere is 5.1480×10^18 kg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_atmosphere The

Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-22 Thread Horace Heffner
If each person got a 2m x 2m x 3m cell, the ship would only have to be about 5 km in diameter. Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-22 Thread Horace Heffner
If each person got a .5 m x 0.3 m x 2 m suspended animation cell, the ship would only have to be about 3 km in diameter. Hmmm... more practical to take a few cells from each person and use whatever life exists where you are going as incubators. Horace Heffner

[Vo]:Environmental space

2008-03-21 Thread Nick Palmer
Could Vorts look over the paragraph below and give me their opinion on it (also please check the maths). It is part of an article I am writing for our newspaper on sustainability. Perhaps people do not realise how little environmental space we all share because there is a rather