RE: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-10 Thread Mark Iverson
Abd wrote: Mark, you are focusing on the name of the thing rather than the reality. For our purposes, wet steam is a 2-phase system in equilibrium at the boiling point. The size of the phase regions is not relevant. IMHO, that's being sloppy. If we're really serious about getting to the truth,

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-10 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Indeed, Krivits psychological interpretation on Mats Lewan's video was so convincing, that I almost believed it! Quite impressive. However, it would be good to have accurate temporal temperature graph for both April E-Cats. If power manipulation hypothesis is true, it should be shown as

RE: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-10 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:27 AM 8/10/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: I think it is obvious that the vapor will be traveling faster than ANY liquid water that is part of a layer of liquid on the inner wall of the hose, due to the adhesion of the liquid to the hose. Sure. I don't think there will be much of that.

RE: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-09 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:47 AM 8/9/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: Abd stated: So what happens? Half the water spills into the tube, half is vaporized and also flows into the tube. This is 50% quality steam, in the tube. I think that is a misunderstanding on your part, Abd. The 'wet' in wet steam is ONLY suspended

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Aug 8, 2011 6:45 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Uh, Jouni, the wetness in steam is liquid water droplets. What did you think it was? You do not have sense of what is large droplet and and what is tiny droplet such as in fog. But I pardon me, that i should make this

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Joe Catania
coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split It may come for a surprise for many, but there is no such thing as water boiler that produces a steam with quality much less than 95%, in close to normal pressure. Very wet steam just is not stable state, because surface tension makes sure that wetness in steam

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: NyTeknik maintains that the liquid mass is at most 10% (steam quality at least 90%) and because of this there is no significant error in measuring the heat output using the steam. That's based on a steam expert, apparently, who has probably

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: This is in line with what I have heard from other experts. That's right. But now ask those experts what will happen if the feed water spills into the outlet tube. They have never seen such a thing. On the contrary this is a common occurrence. It happens when

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:41 AM 8/8/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: On Aug 8, 2011 6:45 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Uh, Jouni, the wetness in steam is liquid water droplets. What did you think it was? You do not have sense of what is large droplet and and what

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:08 AM 8/8/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: NyTeknik maintains that the liquid mass is at most 10% (steam quality at least 90%) and because of this there is no significant error in measuring the heat output using the

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:08 AM 8/8/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: With some tests of the eCat we can rule this out. It seems unlikely to me that it works in some tests but not others. Overflow water allows the E-cat to have an appearance of similar performance over a wide range of actual energies. My conclusion

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:15 AM 8/8/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: This is in line with what I have heard from other experts. That's right. But now ask those experts what will happen if the feed water spills into the outlet tube. They have never seen such a thing. On the contrary this

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Rich Murray
Hey, Abd, may be the best way to catalyze thinking would be to set up a simple experiment to make a cell phone video: a simple transparent hot water system to model the behavior of a Rossi reactor: Rich Murray 2011.08.08 Use glass bottle with a long neck going from the side up at an angle, or a

RE: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-08 Thread Mark Iverson
Abd stated: So what happens? Half the water spills into the tube, half is vaporized and also flows into the tube. This is 50% quality steam, in the tube. I think that is a misunderstanding on your part, Abd. The 'wet' in wet steam is ONLY suspended water droplets, NOT water condensed on the

[Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Good coverage. You should read this: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3228376.ece It will be updated tomorrow with comments from Defkalion. Note also the comments about Krivit and steam enthalpy in the last paragraphs. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-07 Thread Daniel Rocha
NyTeknik maintains that the liquid mass is at most 10% (steam quality at least 90%) and because of this there is no significant error in measuring the heat output using the steam.

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-07 Thread Jouni Valkonen
It may come for a surprise for many, but there is no such thing as water boiler that produces a steam with quality much less than 95%, in close to normal pressure. Very wet steam just is not stable state, because surface tension makes sure that wetness in steam is quickly converted into liquid

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:58 PM 8/7/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: NyTeknik maintains that the liquid mass is at most 10% (steam quality at least 90%) and because of this there is no significant error in measuring the heat output using the steam. That's based on a steam expert, apparently, who has probably never

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:29 PM 8/7/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Well, this is not NyTeknik's claim. They quote someone else. The article says: [...] From other cases with evaporation in tubes I would guess that the steam quality is at least 90%. This is in line with what I have heard from other experts. That's

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

2011-08-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:09 PM 8/7/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: It may come for a surprise for many, but there is no such thing as water boiler that produces a steam with quality much less than 95%, in close to normal pressure. Very wet steam just is not stable state, because surface tension makes sure that