ht all need an extension if we are to see the fruit of our labors.
> Let's work hard to speed up the progress.
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> Dave
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> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Wuller
> To: vortex-l
> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2015 11:35 am
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT fountain of y
11:35 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth?
Blaze:
I agree. In addition, if life expectancy suddenly got extended significantly,
it would so completely and irrevocably change the way we think and act, that
these parochial attitudes would be as obsolete as the dodo bird. They
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> *From:* Blaze Spinnaker [mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 15, 2015 9:40 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth?
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> Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult?
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT fountain of youth?
Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult?
There's a lot of great ways a law respecting society can ensure a fresh
evolution of ideas. Death doesn't have to be one of them.
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 P
True religion -- religion without quotation marks -- must incorporate sex
which includes death as part of our billion year heritage as multicellular
organisms. There is, however, a conflict between the evolution of
eusociality (as in insects and civilizations) and sex manifest in the
ultimate exp
Geez, that's pretty grim! Are you a part of some death cult?
There's a lot of great ways a law respecting society can ensure a fresh
evolution of ideas. Death doesn't have to be one of them.
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
>
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>> We the dea
Giovanni, I think you said it better than I could.
I say it is a little bit of narcissism if you want to see the negative
side.
However, why would it be true that the bad people would be the one
surviving , Jed?
I am sure you are wrong and making Huizenga an example smacks of poor
judgement.
He mig
And if people minds are kept young and vibrant there is no need for
physical death to bring change and progress.
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
> Jed,
> Deathism is the sickest mental state of humans at the moment. It is like a
> spell.
> People glorify and justify
Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
> We the death of each individual an irreplaceable world is lost. In
> particular when we are talking about creative and productive people that
> could contribute for centuries to the better of mankind.
>
Yeah? What makes you think the creative productive people would
Jed,
Deathism is the sickest mental state of humans at the moment. It is like a
spell.
People glorify and justify death as a good thing.
It infuriates me that people advocate death, and it doesn't matter if it is
by old age.
We are not talking about keeping people in old age frail, cognitive
impair
David L. Babcock wrote:
You fail to factor in the enormous sheer tonnage of steel and other metals
> required.
I suppose a star ship would have to be made of stronger materials than
steel. Something more like what you make a space elevator out of.
> Confounding that it's not just peak oil we
You fail to factor in the enormous sheer tonnage of steel and other
metals required. Confounding that it's not just peak oil we're at, it's
peak nearly everything.
Jed would argue, I think, that enough energy combined with engineering
and plant materials -renewables- will make feasible cheap r
Death awareness is different from survival instinct. It is death awareness
that allows we humans to make value judgements like the one you made about
the structure of scientific revolutions, and act on those values.
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Jed Rothwell
wrote:
> James Bowery wrote:
>
On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 13:01 -0500, David L. Babcock wrote:
> The way to the stars better be an under-$1000 Portal in every village.
> Spaceships are too frigin expensive to move any but a tiny fraction of
> our billions.
Expensive? That thinking is so... 20th century. :)
Cheap energy makes eve
The way to the stars better be an under-$1000 Portal in every village.
Spaceships are too frigin expensive to move any but a tiny fraction of
our billions.
Ol' Bab
On 5/14/2015 7:21 AM, Craig Haynie wrote:
On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 07:07 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote:
God forbid this should work.
James Bowery wrote:
The reason people are hysterical about death . . .
>
. . . is the same reason all animals are. It is the instinct of self
preservation. Even cockroaches are terrified of death. If they were not,
predators would have hunted them to extinction eons ago.
- Jed
I looked up dysgenic. Well, maybe I did not get it.
I think Jed is correct.
I think the problem is that I do not think Jed's analysis includes me.:)
All others and the theory is perfect.
No, if we need a more sophisticated word than selfishness let us try
narcissism.
Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornro
The reason people are hysterical about death, including religious from the
Abrahamic to Transhumanism, is because civilization is dysgenic and in a
dysgenic society every death is a loss of Creation.
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Craig Haynie wrote:
>
>>
>> You know, if
Craig Haynie wrote:
>
> You know, if we could find a way to the stars, then suddenly, there's
> plenty of room for anyone who has ever lived, and anyone who wants to
> live forever.
>
Naah, that just shoves the problem off into the future. See Asimov, "The
Last Question":
http://www.multivax.co
The Eschimoo style retirement system is a partial solution.
I have confronted it for almost 16 years.
Peter
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:
> It would not surprise me to learn that the Vort Collective is infested
> with a highe
It would not surprise me to learn that the Vort Collective is infested with a
highe percentage of seniors who are older than me.
I guess Australia is no longer on the table for the disposal of riff-raff.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 07:07 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> God forbid this should work. The last thing we need is a bunch of old
> people cluttering up society. [...]
You know, if we could find a way to the stars, then suddenly, there's
plenty of room for anyone who has ever lived, and anyone who wa
God forbid this should work. The last thing we need is a bunch of old
people cluttering up society. Especially in science this would put an end
to progress -- which happens "funeral by funeral."
- Jed
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150513093609.htm
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