Hmmm -- very curious, no? This quote is in my recent google alerts:
"Next month, Indias largest automaker, Tata Motors, will be premiering its first air-powered car with Frenchman, Guy Negres, innovative engine. Thats right. About 6,000 zero-emission cars will be scooting around the streets of India, in August, as we struggle to pay rising gas prices in America." Both the stories could not be true, of course. Jones Oh, here is the site for the above quote, but I must say that your reference does sound more authoritative (unless it is postdated 'filler') since yours apparently quotes the boss: http://eurekareporter.com/article/080712-as-it-stands-vehicles-that-run-on-air-are-ready By any chance does Tata mean 'hot air' in Hindi? CAVEAT: India science and business journalism can be highly suspect on occasion. IOW - their 'news' is often on the same level of reliability as US PR press releases - i.e. bought and paid for .... --- Michel Jullian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/news/tata-motors-developing-electric-car-hostgreen-cars/23/02/348726 > <<Mumbai, July 24 > Tata Motors is developing an electric car, besides a > host of eco-friendly, hybrid, bio-fuel and > compressed-air run cars, said the Chairman, Mr Ratan > Tata, at the annual general meeting on Thursday. > "We are looking at the creation of an electric car. > This financial year we are doing it for Norway. And > we hope to launch it in other markets in the next > financial year," he said. The company is also > working on a compressed-air car project. > "We have been working with a company in France. It > will be completely free of pollution. It is a > technology which could have some promise. It may > happen. It may not happen," he said.>> > > This doesn't look like a product announcement for > next month I am afraid! > > Michel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change > > > > > > --- Michael > > > > My comments about double phase-change and ZPE are > a > > secondary interpretation of "filtered" information > > which is available online, not from only the > company > > but mostly accumulated from blogs and other > > commentators; therefore it is unlikely that anyone > > will find an authoritative reference for that same > > conclusion... or should I say "more authoritative" > ;-) > > > > In fact, as mentioned, there is reason to believe > that > > the company (not Tata but MDI six months to a year > > ago) has been complicit is spreading at least some > > disinformation- probably for competitive reasons. > > > > I am glad to hear your impression about Tata - > since > > at first they did seem to be a little flakey in > their > > public moves. The big question is - will they > really > > ship in August (in India at least)? > > > > I mean why would any sane outfit want to buy > Jaguar > > and Land Rover, which are pretty much damaged > goods, > > despite their former glory days? Maybe they > anticipate > > using the good-name and reputation eventually, > more so > > than the present day products, which never seem to > > fare very well in comparison with other autos in > their > > elevated price range. Buying a top name like > Jaguar > > does make some sense for future exports. Tata > could > > also use some help with styling and design that > Jag > > can provide. > > > > If the Indian economy catches fire like in China, > they > > might actually have a greater number of affluent > > buyers there in say 2020, than does the UK (but > far > > less as a percentage of total population). > > > > > > > >> Hi Jones, > >> > >> While there's lots of stuff on the internet about > M. > >> Nègre and his compressed air car I don't seem to > be > >> able to find any reference to the phenomenon you > >> describe. Any links? While I've never met Ratan > >> Tata, I deal with a couple of his business > >> associates in India and they assure me that he is > a > >> no bullshit guy, and something of a visionary to > >> boot. So you have to take it very seriously if > he's > >> backing this car. > >> > >> One thing I didn't see in the specs for the car > is > >> the potential for regenerative braking that would > be > >> far more efficient than for an electric car or a > >> hybrid gasoline car. > >> > >> M. > >> > >> > >> --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Jones Beene > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Subject: [Vo]:Double phase-change > >> > To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > >> > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:12 PM > >> > It is arguable that the "virtual"explosion > (shock > >> > wave) in the Negre compressed air engine of the > >> Tata > >> > operates gainfully to somehow cohere ZPE ! > >> > > >> > Robin has mentioned that the engine gets extra > >> energy > >> > from ambient, which is almost the same thing, > in > >> one > >> > POV- but I think there is more than just > >> additional > >> > ambient heat being used - and that this could > be > >> the > >> > first commercial instance of ZPE utilization. > Time > >> > will tell, if the car really does ship next > month. > >> > > >> > Reports are that the proper operation of the > >> engine > >> > demands high enough air pressure to immediately > >> > phase-change the air first to liquid-air and > then > >> > immediately back again in milliseconds. Without > >> the > >> > advantage of a shock wave, the torque available > >> would > >> > be minimal. > >> > > >> > On cold days, the car will not start without > >> > preheating the air, which indicates that the > >> double > >> > phase-change has a narrow range. There is a > small > >> > gasoline tank for this purpose in the European > >> model, > >> > but not the one for India. > >> > > >> > And without the double phase-change, with a > >> sequential > >> > timing that must be immediate (perhaps a few > >> > milliseconds at TDC of the engine cycle), there > is > >> > probably no advantage to this complex system > over > >> > simple expansion of a gas through a turbine - > and > >> it > >> > would not be marketable otherwise. > >> > > >> > After all, the energy content of the compressed > >> gas > >> > "appears" to be WAAAAAY too small for the > power > >> > produced (which is now apparently proved beyond > >> any > >> > doubt to be available to the chagrin of > experts). > >> The > >> > excellent mileage, with a few dollars worth of > >> grid > >> > power, is almost a modern day miracle, no? > >> > > >> > This double phase-change could be the entry > point > >> for > >> > ZPE or Casimir forces since it operates at a > >> molecular > >> > geometry. > >> > > >> > However, it is probably a good thing that this > is > >> NOT > >> > mentioned yet or broadcast to the world, for > any > >> > number of reasons. It may actually be too > >> > transformative and disruptive of a technology > for > >> the > === message truncated ===
