Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: - Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory Let me t

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory > Let me try that one more time! As usual I made a slight er

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Let me try that one more time! As usual I made a slight error. ' From the electric potential energy Pe for separating an electron and proton we have: ' Pe = k (-q)(q)(1/r) = -(2.88x10^-9 eV m) (1/r) ' which we can rearrange to obtain r for a given potential energy, ' r = (1.439965x10^-9 e

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

On Jan 6, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: snip We can debate all day about what the arrangement of electrons looks like and how they might in theory behave. Nevertheless, if electrons can in fact gain the required 0.78 MeV from their surroundings to m

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Horace Heffner wrote: snip We can debate all day about what the arrangement of electrons looks like and how they might in theory behave. Nevertheless, if electrons can in fact gain the required 0.78 MeV from their surroundings to make a neutron, why is this process not detected? Th

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:20 PM, thomas malloy wrote: I was really impressed with the above paragraph. Gamma is the greek letter that stands for the Lorentz factor in special relativity. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity and locate "Lorentz factor". gamma = (1-v^2/c^2)

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply of late. On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Jones, the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Edmund Storms wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply of late. On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal physics but it is also inconsistent with what h

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Horace Heffner wrote: On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply of late. On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

On Jan 3, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply of late. On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal physics but it is

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Horace Heffner wrote: Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply of late. On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal physics but it is also inconsistent with what has been observed in c

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Sorry for the delay in responding. Time seems to be in short supply of late. On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal physics but it is also inconsistent with what has been observed in cold fusion. It makes the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Sorry Robin, I meant to type half-life. When I'm fasting, my mind has a mind of its own. I'm now back on food so that, hopefully, I might make more sense. Regards, Ed Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:10:44 -0700: Hi Ed, [snip] The dead

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

For the adventurous Googling "Lattice Vibrations", Diffusion, Applets brings up this Phonon Applet. *http://dept.kent.edu/projects/ksuviz/leeviz/phonon/phonon.html* This suggests that Cold Fusion-LENR-CANR experiments would be cheap

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

This CalTech Electric Field Applet can show how Protons or Deuterons bombarding a target lattice or gas with a Z up to +9 and the surrounding electrons can come in close and allow the Proton-Electron-Proton or Deuteron-Electron-Deuteron Cold or Hot Fusion reactions to occur. Unfortunately it's no

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:10:44 -0700: Hi Ed, [snip] >The dead times of the elements involved in this process >are well known and do not permit the claimed distribution to form no >matter how many neutrons are available. Could you please explain what "dead times

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jones, I have no idea what Miley believes. Take a look at the Larsen paper where they make a comparison to a selected set of the Miley work and tell me what you think. The fit is even less good to other data sets. The logic of the fit is even flawed. When a neutron is added to an element, th

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

--- Ed, > The isotopic distribution agrees with the distribution reported by Miley. The claimed agreement is poor at best. This could be a very important point to clarify, due to the reputation of Miley. Are you certain that Miley considers the agreement as "poor at best" ? I was under the imp

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jones, the Widom-Larsen theory is not only inconsistent with normal physics but it is also inconsistent with what has been observed in cold fusion. It makes the following unsupported assumptions: 1. Energy can be transferred to an electron from a low energy environment causing the mass of the

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Here is my take on the crux of the debate about neutrons in LENR: Alan Widom and Lewis Larsen proposed a theory several years ago, which since that time has evolved into a rather logical and insightful explanation for "many" (but not all, by any means) of the 18 years of experimental results c

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Frederick Sparber wrote: I see and appreciate your approach Ed, but being impatient after almost two decades of waiting on those "figuring out the mechanism" suggests trying a bigger hammer. This gets back to the point I made during the discussion of Professor Susslick's comments. Induced

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

The Cold Fusion heat source in this Java Applet, Ed? ** *"Role of inelasticity in granular medium":* ** *The theory is from Y. Du, H. Li, and L.P. Kadanoff Phys. Rev. Lett. (1995). * ** * http://www.haverford.edu/astronomy/Gollub/vib_granular/inelastic/inelastic.html *

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

You wrote: >It's a function of your email program. You need to find the "reply >to" line and delete your email address and leave it blank. This is the on-line Webmail program from Mindsprings, not my regular e-mail program. It does not seem to have any options, or I can't find 'em. I should pr

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jones Beene wrote: Ed, Boron is deposited on the Pd surface in every P-F cell as the Pyrex dissolves. Nevertheless, no radioactivity is detected and heat is seldom produced. As for the Pd-B, I attempted to get heat both from a sample supplied by Miles and by a fresh sample supplied by NRL,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

On Dec 31, 2007 2:10 PM, Jed Rothwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a message from Ed Storms, not me. > > Ed sent me this yesterday, but he meant to send it to Vortex. I use > the Mindspring on-line mail server at times, and that causes people > to accidentally send Vortex responses to me di

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Ed, Boron is deposited on the Pd surface in every P-F cell as the Pyrex dissolves. Nevertheless, no radioactivity is detected and heat is seldom produced. As for the Pd-B, I attempted to get heat both from a sample supplied by Miles and by a fresh sample supplied by NRL, and failed both times

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Edmund Storms wrote: As for the Pd-B, I attempted to get heat both from a sample supplied by Miles and by a fresh sample supplied by NRL, and failed both times. I was going to mention that, and I am glad Ed brought it up. Clearly, the Pd-B alloy is helpful in some cases, but not sufficient. T

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Hi Jones, Here is some background information. Boron is used to remove oxygen from palladium, which makes the palladium brittle. Addition of boron was done to prevent cracking, which I showed prevents the required high composition from being achieved. Miles used a Pb-B alloy to measure the H

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jones Beene wrote: Precisely the point why they would never use boron unless it were active in the nuclear sense. As I said, I recall they said it helps stiffen the alloy. It inhibits high loading, but it also prevents deloading. Quote: "The addition of boron to palladium does not affect th

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jed Rothwell wrote: As I recall, Miles and Imam told me it strengthens the cathode, the way silver does. These people are not fools, and their claims are not "nonsense." No, it is your claim which is nonsense, not theirs ! I am sure they have a good reason for using boron, and I am sure t

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jones Beene wrote: Perhaps it only helped the electrochemistry. Nonsense! First off, boron is contra-indicated for electrochemisty. As I recall, Miles and Imam told me it strengthens the cathode, the way silver does. These people are not fools, and their claims are not "nonsense." I am

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jed Rothwell wrote: I am sure it was accurate. Miles is a very reliable source. However, the boron made not have played a role in the nuclear reaction. Perhaps it only helped the electrochemistry. Nonsense! First off, boron is contra-indicated for electrochemisty. No question whatever abo

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Jones Beene wrote: Many observers had hoped that Miles' work with boron and his reported 100% reproducibility was accurate. Apparently not. I am sure it was accurate. Miles is a very reliable source. However, the boron made not have played a role in the nuclear reaction. Perhaps it only help

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Edmund Storms wrote: Does LENR glow discharge benefit significantly from boron content in the electrode? No, boron has no effect. Well, that answers the question then. Many observers had hoped that Miles' work with boron and his reported 100% reproducibility was accurate. Apparently not.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Here is a message from Ed Storms, not me. Ed sent me this yesterday, but he meant to send it to Vortex. I use the Mindspring on-line mail server at times, and that causes people to accidentally send Vortex responses to me directly. I do not see any options for the on-line program to fix that p

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jones Beene wrote: Ed, I'm not a mind-reader, but I think that what Fred (and other assorted non-skeptics tuned-in to Vo) really want to know is this: Does LENR glow discharge benefit significantly from boron content in the electrode? No, boron has no effect. If it does, then many of

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

I see and appreciate your approach Ed, but being impatient after almost two decades of waiting on those "figuring out the mechanism" suggests trying a bigger hammer. >From your results of getting the same radiation by bombarding Copper or Silver as well as Pd and Pd-Pt with deuterons in the glow d

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Ed, I'm not a mind-reader, but I think that what Fred (and other assorted non-skeptics tuned-in to Vo) really want to know is this: Does LENR glow discharge benefit significantly from boron content in the electrode? If it does, then many of us would (at least partly) disagree with your con

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Fred, Hot fusion initiates the neutron producing path, cold fusion does not. This is the basic difference based an observation. The glow discharge does not produce neutrons. In addition, the voltages are too low to produce a hot fusion reaction. As for heat production, the glow discharge tech

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Just the Ticket for a "Farnsworth Fusor" design? On Dec 31, 2007 5:29 AM, Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ed Storms wrote. > > > > *It depends on what you mean by relationship.* > > > Ed > > *"Radiation Produced By Glow Dioscharge in Deuterium"* > > *http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/St

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Ed Storms wrote. > > *It depends on what you mean by relationship.* > Ed *"Radiation Produced By Glow Dioscharge in Deuterium"* *http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEradiationp.pdf* To me this experiment suggests a vital relationship between lo

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Edmund Storms wrote: >It depends on what you mean by relationship. Both hot and cold fusion >produce the same end products, but in different ratios. The helium-to-heat ratio is the same for both, as far as I know. I do not know of any study that shows a different ratio, although of course the e

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Jed, It depends on what you mean by relationship. Both hot and cold fusion produce the same end products, but in different ratios. The reactions in each case involve the fusion of deuterium. However, the two process are completely different in the mechanism that allows the fusion to occur. As

Re: [Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

Frederick Sparber wrote: >IOW, Is Cold Fusion-Deuteration "Target Factory", the required preliminary >step for attaining Hot Fusion? I have no idea, and I do not understand the technical issues in this case, but I have long had an intuitive feeling that hot fusion and cold fusion must be the sa

[Vo]:Re: Cold Fusion-Treated Palladium-Lithium-Boron Laser Fusion Target Factory

http://other.nrl.navy.mil/LaserFusionEnergy/index.html IOW, Is Cold Fusion-Deuteration "Target Factory", the required preliminary step for attaining Hot Fusion?