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<<Mumbai, July 24 Tata Motors is developing an electric car, besides a host of eco-friendly, hybrid, bio-fuel and compressed-air run cars, said the Chairman, Mr Ratan Tata, at the annual general meeting on Thursday. "We are looking at the creation of an electric car. This financial year we are doing it for Norway. And we hope to launch it in other markets in the next financial year," he said. The company is also working on a compressed-air car project. "We have been working with a company in France. It will be completely free of pollution. It is a technology which could have some promise. It may happen. It may not happen," he said.>> This doesn't look like a product announcement for next month I am afraid! Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change > > --- Michael > > My comments about double phase-change and ZPE are a > secondary interpretation of "filtered" information > which is available online, not from only the company > but mostly accumulated from blogs and other > commentators; therefore it is unlikely that anyone > will find an authoritative reference for that same > conclusion... or should I say "more authoritative" ;-) > > In fact, as mentioned, there is reason to believe that > the company (not Tata but MDI six months to a year > ago) has been complicit is spreading at least some > disinformation- probably for competitive reasons. > > I am glad to hear your impression about Tata - since > at first they did seem to be a little flakey in their > public moves. The big question is - will they really > ship in August (in India at least)? > > I mean why would any sane outfit want to buy Jaguar > and Land Rover, which are pretty much damaged goods, > despite their former glory days? Maybe they anticipate > using the good-name and reputation eventually, more so > than the present day products, which never seem to > fare very well in comparison with other autos in their > elevated price range. Buying a top name like Jaguar > does make some sense for future exports. Tata could > also use some help with styling and design that Jag > can provide. > > If the Indian economy catches fire like in China, they > might actually have a greater number of affluent > buyers there in say 2020, than does the UK (but far > less as a percentage of total population). > > > >> Hi Jones, >> >> While there's lots of stuff on the internet about M. >> Nègre and his compressed air car I don't seem to be >> able to find any reference to the phenomenon you >> describe. Any links? While I've never met Ratan >> Tata, I deal with a couple of his business >> associates in India and they assure me that he is a >> no bullshit guy, and something of a visionary to >> boot. So you have to take it very seriously if he's >> backing this car. >> >> One thing I didn't see in the specs for the car is >> the potential for regenerative braking that would be >> far more efficient than for an electric car or a >> hybrid gasoline car. >> >> M. >> >> >> --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Jones Beene >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Subject: [Vo]:Double phase-change >> > To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:12 PM >> > It is arguable that the "virtual"explosion (shock >> > wave) in the Negre compressed air engine of the >> Tata >> > operates gainfully to somehow cohere ZPE ! >> > >> > Robin has mentioned that the engine gets extra >> energy >> > from ambient, which is almost the same thing, in >> one >> > POV- but I think there is more than just >> additional >> > ambient heat being used - and that this could be >> the >> > first commercial instance of ZPE utilization. Time >> > will tell, if the car really does ship next month. >> > >> > Reports are that the proper operation of the >> engine >> > demands high enough air pressure to immediately >> > phase-change the air first to liquid-air and then >> > immediately back again in milliseconds. Without >> the >> > advantage of a shock wave, the torque available >> would >> > be minimal. >> > >> > On cold days, the car will not start without >> > preheating the air, which indicates that the >> double >> > phase-change has a narrow range. There is a small >> > gasoline tank for this purpose in the European >> model, >> > but not the one for India. >> > >> > And without the double phase-change, with a >> sequential >> > timing that must be immediate (perhaps a few >> > milliseconds at TDC of the engine cycle), there is >> > probably no advantage to this complex system over >> > simple expansion of a gas through a turbine - and >> it >> > would not be marketable otherwise. >> > >> > After all, the energy content of the compressed >> gas >> > "appears" to be WAAAAAY too small for the power >> > produced (which is now apparently proved beyond >> any >> > doubt to be available to the chagrin of experts). >> The >> > excellent mileage, with a few dollars worth of >> grid >> > power, is almost a modern day miracle, no? >> > >> > This double phase-change could be the entry point >> for >> > ZPE or Casimir forces since it operates at a >> molecular >> > geometry. >> > >> > However, it is probably a good thing that this is >> NOT >> > mentioned yet or broadcast to the world, for any >> > number of reasons. It may actually be too >> > transformative and disruptive of a technology for >> the >> > economic status-quo forces to deal with, if fully >> > appreciated in certain boardrooms. >> > >> > Let the performance of the vehicle itself "do the >> > talking" as the young company struggles for market >> > share, but without unneeded hype about the end of >> the >> > oil era. Tata is at the critical point where the >> > trillion dollar "war chest" of OPEC could be >> > silently >> > focused to crush their nascent efforts. One >> suicide >> > bomber now - and the entire effort is ... well... >> that >> > would be a larger shock wave and then TaTa, Tata. >> > >> > Jones >> >> >> >> >> >
