for the weather, but we cannot control it. That much has got
to be obvious to any rational citizen of this planet.
- Rick
-Original Message-
From: Horace Heffner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:50 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Sunspotless
Nick -
Yes, I believe that right should be taken away. Responsibilities
outweigh rights.
We can debate and disagree and be sarcastic and so forth on a forum like
this. But to really declare for taking down the voices of dissent, you've
placed yourself in a very special category, and I promise
At 05:51 AM 9/9/2008, Rick Monteverde wrote:
Horace -
If you don't think it's relevant, then you don't think you know exactly
what's driving it (and you'd be right), and therefore you couldn't possibly
know where it would go if you tried driving it yourself. But Horace, if you
*know* that you
I wrote:
Also, I believe you are exaggerating the complexity of the
atmosphere. It is nowhere near as complex as, say, an ecosystem or a
living cell. The mechanisms by which DNA controls cells, and the
workings of the human brain, are perhaps the most complex phenomena
in the known universe.
Again, repeating a snippet of Rick Monteverde's prior comment:
... But Horace, if you
*know* that you *can* predict and even steer an immense
chaotic system like planetary climate - please please
pretty PLEEEASE email me your stock picks NOW!!!
I would second
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Sunspotless
Again, repeating a snippet of Rick Monteverde's prior comment:
... But Horace, if you
*know* that you *can* predict and even steer an immense chaotic system
like planetary climate - please please pretty PLEEEASE email me your
Jed This analogy is flawed. Predicting climate change in the future is
like predicting the overall trend of the market.
Predicting climate change in the future is like predicting the overall trend
of the market. This analogy is flawed.
- Rick
Jed -
Chaos and complexity are two separate and unrelated characteristics.
Well, they're separate anyway. A chaotic system could be very simple and
still have very complex outputs. Or it might have simple and much more
predictable outputs. Depends on the structure, but not necessarily the
be right... (probably not this one though).
- Rick
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:39 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Sunspotless
You laugh, but I have a friend that seriously believes that, that our
Rick Monteverde wrote:
A chaotic system could also be very complex and have relatively
simple and predictable outputs. The claim that the global climate
has those characteristics is false to a high degree of certainty
given historical records.
No one claims that the climate is simple or
Jed -
Chaos and complexity are two separate and unrelated characteristics.
Sorry, I may have misunderstood your point. You meant that the complexity of
a chaotic system's underlying structure versus the complexity of its range
of outputs is not related? Those two can be very divergent in
(typo: 2009 in last heading)
Good points Horace, but note Rick doesn't deny global warming, he only
disputes the anthropogenic explanation for some reason (maybe he owns oil
fields or something?)
Michel
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vortex-L
Michel Good points Horace, but note Rick doesn't deny global warming,
he only disputes the anthropogenic explanation for some reason (maybe he
owns oil fields or something?) /Michel
Thanks, I guess, but my reasons were also clearly posted. You mean my
motivation? I'm an alien. Didn't you see The
On Sep 8, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
(typo: 2009 in last heading)
Thanks!
Good points Horace, but note Rick doesn't deny global warming, he
only disputes the anthropogenic explanation for some reason
(maybe he owns oil fields or something?)
Michel
It strikes me as
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