RE: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-16 Thread Chris Zell
...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 7:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers. On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Chris Zell mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com>> wrote: My background is libertarian but I now feel some form of communism could be in our futu

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
These think tanks more or less exposes the same type of thing. But, let me show some good sources from "my side", these people more or less exposes the same type of thing https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/ https://critiqueofcrisistheory.wordpress.com/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCvdjsJt

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-15 Thread Adrian Ashfield
Daniel, ps. I came across this piece after my last post that covers soe of the points I made. http://mailchi.mp/epi/news-from-the-economic-policy-institute-74f85odszg?e=803fbad814

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
om: Daniel Rocha > To: John Milstone > Sent: Sat, Oct 14, 2017 11:35 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers. > > Adrian, > > It's a matter of perspective of to works for who and to whom. In my > perspective, capitalism has been tried and never worked. Socia

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-15 Thread Adrian Ashfield
t: Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers. Adrian, It's a matter of perspective of to works for who and to whom. In my perspective, capitalism has been tried and never worked. Socialism (I reserve communism for something else, utopic) always worked better on average for most individuals,

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Adrian, It's a matter of perspective of to works for who and to whom. In my perspective, capitalism has been tried and never worked. Socialism (I reserve communism for something else, utopic) always worked better on average for most individuals, within my parameters. I didn't see it not working bu

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-14 Thread Adrian Ashfield
2017 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers. Adrian, I am talking about the whole world. The rot began in in a few places, in antiquity, when class society began. That is, ony part of the population got the best slice of the pie. It's difficult for some of us who live in the

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Adrian, I am talking about the whole world. The rot began in in a few places, in antiquity, when class society began. That is, ony part of the population got the best slice of the pie. It's difficult for some of us who live in the 1st world (I live in the 3rd) and never saw what it is abject povert

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-14 Thread Adrian Ashfield
Interestingthread. I disagree violence is inevitablefor the change but with the millionaire’s club called Congress running thingsit seems likely. The rot startedwith Milton Freedman in 1976, stating that the purpose of business was tomaximize short term profit for the shareholders. Business

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Alain, when I tried to get into detail with Jed, the subject had already changed, at least in my mind. But, implementing AI, for me,is one capable of understanding contexts, is different from any type of technology we know it. It is not a mere aide to human skills, this time is really erasing the

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
people who says industrialisation lead to poverty, don't know how deeply poor were farmers, most of the population, befre they decided to escape starvation by working hard in factories, in awful but less awful situation. Just my dad in the 50s at 20yo lost half of his friends because of diseases,

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jed, I did not say that something is narrow, only. I said that there is an accumulation of narrow techniques that accumulate. We, humans, along many animals, do have many of these mechanisms of patter recognition, such as overall syntax, face identification, sexual orientation, some sense of beauty

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: I am aware of these tidbits. But,Language is mechanical and have universal > rules that are quite strict.If you feed it with massive quantities of data, > it will eventually get it right . . . > I disagree. Google was not making much progress with that approach. The ambiguity

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Che
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > The point it is that, as far as I can notice here, there is no such > notion. You are telling them stuff without explaining what you mean. You > seem to be a lunatic or a fanatic for them. > What reformists and the pseudo-Left DO is PANDER t

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
The point it is that, as far as I can notice here, there is no such notion. You are telling them stuff without explaining what you mean. You seem to be a lunatic or a fanatic for them. You are talking about a game they don't know, you don't explain the rules at all, that is, how you reached such co

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Che
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: > it seems some histocical perspective is required to understand all is > normal. > > Inflation is a recent phénomenon, and for example 19th century was veru > deflationist. > What are you talking about. Inflation was an issue in even ancient

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Che
*From:* Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, October 13, 2017 5:57 AM > *To:* John Milstone > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers. > > > > I guess you are being ultra left here. The guy is showing will to learn > and you are kind of snubbing

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Che
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 12:03 PM, H LV wrote: > If you want to change society you have to work with people as they are, > not as you wish they were. > > > Harry > Says a man who's clearly never been in any leadership position of any kind; let alone who understands the way the Universe *actually

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Che
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:25 AM, H LV wrote: > Pure Marxism is a materialist religion and not a science. > > harry > It never ceases to amaze me how (otherwise fairly intelligent) people can maintain these long-term internal states of cognitive dissonance. The wunnerful effects of ceaseless pr

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Che
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > I guess you are being ultra left here. The guy is showing will to learn > and you are kind of snubbing him. > No, that's just what people 'improving' marxism -- i.e. reformist radicals (an oxymoron, no?) -- invariably call real marxists. You

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
I am aware of these tidbits. But,Language is mechanical and have universal rules that are quite strict.If you feed it with massive quantities of data, it will eventually get it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example-based_machine_translation . It can be seen here an example: https://en.wikipe

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: > There isn't,though, any meaningful advance in AI for decades. What happens > is the massive feed of data for very repetitive tasks in a very narrow > field of expertise. > Your information is out of date. It is true there was little progress for many decades, and for a whi

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
Neither AI nor robots are a problem at all, the trouble is the transition. As the transition happens, people are not happily lose their jobs neither owners of large business will be able to sustain profits, this is unsolvable contradiction (that is, not solvable without violence). Unlike other type

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Alain Sepeda
it seems some histocical perspective is required to understand all is normal. Inflation is a recent phénomenon, and for example 19th century was veru deflationist. in fact it is not so important as purchase power get better because of cost reduction. This si what sharing economy, in fact the hidde

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
Things are not so simple, as I see it. I don't see the actual China as socialist or communist, nor I see them returning to a socialist path. This will become clear later, though this is a very very rough explanation. Things do not really get cheap because they are more abundantly produced (now I am

RE: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Chris Zell
Milstone Subject: Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers. I guess you are being ultra left here. The guy is showing will to learn and you are kind of snubbing him. 2017-10-13 3:29 GMT-03:00 Che mailto:comandantegri...@gmail.com>>: This is just (yawn) one more fake 'post-marxist&#x

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread H LV
If you want to change society you have to work with people as they are, not as you wish they were. Harry On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:25 AM, H LV wrote: > Pure Marxism is a materialist religion and not a science. > > harry > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:01 AM, H LV wrote: > >> Yawn. >> >> Harry

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread H LV
Pure Marxism is a materialist religion and not a science. harry On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:01 AM, H LV wrote: > Yawn. > > Harry > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:29 AM, Che wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:35 PM, H LV wrote: >> >>> ​The Precariat and Class Struggle By Guy Standing >>>

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread H LV
Yawn. Harry On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 2:29 AM, Che wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:35 PM, H LV wrote: > >> ​The Precariat and Class Struggle By Guy Standing >> >> Abstract: The world economy is in the midst of a Global Transformation >> that is producing a new global class structure. A ne

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-13 Thread Daniel Rocha
I guess you are being ultra left here. The guy is showing will to learn and you are kind of snubbing him. 2017-10-13 3:29 GMT-03:00 Che : > > > This is just (yawn) one more fake 'post-marxist' analysis (of which there > has been plenty: 'Post Modernism' being the exemplar of this genre). > Dismis

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-12 Thread Che
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:35 PM, H LV wrote: > ​The Precariat and Class Struggle By Guy Standing > > Abstract: The world economy is in the midst of a Global Transformation > that is producing a new global class structure. A new mass class is > emerging – the precariat – characterised by chronic u

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-12 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is over optimism based on the moderate success of translation of non creative writing.Most science and news reports, is very mechanical. We are born with mechanism that universally holds for every language, in terms of organizing adjectives, substantives, agreements. What the machine does is t

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-12 Thread H LV
​The Precariat and Class Struggle By Guy Standing Abstract: The world economy is in the midst of a Global Transformation that is producing a new global class structure. A new mass class is emerging – the precariat – characterised by chronic uncertainty and insecurity. Although the precariat is sti

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-11 Thread Che
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:06 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > https://thenextweb.com/contributors/2017/05/19/ > artificial-intelligence-will-impact-professional-writing/ > > How Artificial Intelligence will impact professional writing > As I keep pointing out: such technological developments could only c

Re: [Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-10 Thread Axil Axil
https://thenextweb.com/contributors/2017/05/19/artificial-intelligence-will-impact-professional-writing/ How Artificial Intelligence will impact professional writing On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:03 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > http://nypost.com/2017/08/29/artificial-intelligence-is- > writing-the-next-g

[Vo]:Robots to replace writers.

2017-10-10 Thread Axil Axil
http://nypost.com/2017/08/29/artificial-intelligence-is-writing-the-next-game-of-thrones-book/ Artificial intelligence is writing the next ‘Game of Thrones’ book