Axil Axil Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:26:31 -0700 http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.109.027202 The Casimir force arises because of quantum fluctuations of the electromagnetic field in the space between two conducting plates. The Drude model predicts that low-frequency fluctuations play no role in the Casimir force and are due to an electrostatic force coming from electrical potential differences on the membrane surface. If the either can be framed in terms of and all pervasive electromagnetic field throughout space, is that what these other names are describing? Cheers: Axil Yes, But it is a moving field that passes through our 3D plane from a perpendicular dimension which is why we have this Pythagorean relationship between C and velocity for normal SR,,,BUT my posit is that suppression directly effects the speed of the ether through our plane and can also imbalance the angle between different spatial axis such that instead of cancellation you can get a combination of acceleration and time dilation. I still think you need matter like gas atoms to interact with these segregated areas of accelerated and retarded "ether" velocities in a biased manner or the effects will cancel but that is what we may be seeing with Mills and Rossi. All the SR and time dilations can be thought of in terms of those zip strip toys we played with as kids where you pull the zip cord to bring a flywheel up to speed and then let the toy car go. different flywheels at different speed is how I view inverse rydberg atoms /hydrinos where from their local perspective they are just normal size and time rate even though from our perspective they appear tiny and time dilated [tritium decay rate anomaly].. I know most people put a limit of 1/127 to inverse Rydberg / fractional hydrogen and this may be why the Zero Point field is unfairly dismissed as a contender for the energy levels being discussed /claimed by Rossi/Mills but IMHO the effect is totally relativistic and unlimited! That is to say inverse Rydberg atoms of hydrogen are always just normal hydrogen from their own local perspective, changes in ether velocity due to Casimir geometry may be a limitation since it remains unclear if a method to nest the lattice / Casimir geometry can exist to further reduce the suppressed areas of space time to ever smaller scale but statements by Mills that hydrinos can self catalyze does lend hope that the suppressed gas itself could even further reduce some gas atoms far past the 1/127 limit [at least from our perspective]. There would be no theoretical limit only the physical constraints of trying to use the same matter already defined by it's interaction with the ether in special geometrical configurations [Casimir] to modify and bias that interaction toward a specific spatial axis vs the normal cancellation with an ether that is 90 degrees displaced to all 3 axis. I suspect that the covalent bonds of h2 oppose changes in this ether velocity and may be the energy source Mills, Rossi, Lyne and Moller are tapping because HUP will continue to move the gas between regions and the opposition of the bond to this motion discounts the level of energy needed to disassociate the bond to the point where it takes less to disassociate it than the energy given off when the molecule immediately reforms at the new velocity for ether in the region that caused the discount [change in suppression level] Fran On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:47 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net>wrote: > "Some kind of ether would be a convenient thing to have for this."**** > > ** ** > > I think that's what the zero-point field and Casimir effect is all about. > just because this generation chooses to call it by a different name doesn't > mean it's different. **** > > -Mark Iverson**** > > ** ** > > *From:* Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:14 PM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Sawyer's emdrive alive and kicking in China?**** > > ** **