Re: [Vo]:The Wrights' approach to the British and U.S. Army

2009-12-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > Robert Baden-Powell (the founder of the boy scouts) . . . > Correction. The fellow who founded the boy scouts was another member of the family. Here is something interesting from the New York Times, June 6, 1909, indicating there was concern about what we now call "national security,

Re: [Vo]:The Wrights' approach to the British and U.S. Army

2009-12-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Steven V Johnson wrote: ...and out of the other side: "Oh, by the way, if you attempt to market this technology to any foreign government, we will take an extremely dim view of your actions. We will be watching you." They did not say anything like that. The U.S. Army knew that everyone would

Re: [Vo]:The Wrights' approach to the British and U.S. Army

2009-12-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: It seems possible that the Wrights went first to the U.S. War Department specifically because they were U.S. citizens, and did not feel it would have been appropriate, feasible, right, or (fill in blank) to sell their technology overseas before the U.S. military adop

Re: [Vo]:The Wrights' approach to the British and U.S. Army

2009-12-18 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Stephen Lawrence: > ... Jed Rothwell wrote: >> >> At this point we need the academics. We should ignore the critics. The >> Wrights should have! They should have dealt with the British War Office >> instead of the U.S. War Department, because the British understood and >> appreciated what t

Re: [Vo]:The Wrights' approach to the British and U.S. Army

2009-12-18 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/18/2009 10:58 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: At this point we need the academics. We should ignore the critics. The Wrights should have! They should have dealt with the British War Office instead of the U.S. War Department, because the British understood and appreciated what they had accomplish

Re: [Vo]:The Wrights' approach to the British and U.S. Army

2009-12-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell wrote: I understand that the rejection of reality in the case of the Wrights went to astounding extremes. Newspapers spoke of their efforts as a hoax while any reporter could simply wander down to the area where they were testing and watch them fly. Yup. In the summer of 1904 and

Re: [Vo]:The Wrights' approach to the British and U.S. Army

2009-12-18 Thread Chris Zell
I understand that the rejection of reality in the case of the Wrights went to astounding extremes.  Newspapers spoke of their efforts as a hoax while any reporter could simply wander down to the area where they were testing and watch them fly.   I think it most critical to produce a simple usef

[Vo]:The Wrights' approach to the British and U.S. Army

2009-12-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ed Storms wrote to me: Your description of the Wright experience is fascinating, Jed. I did not realize that CF and flying had so much in common. Yes indeed. And we could learn a lot from history, if only we would. Learn from it or you are doomed to repeat it, as Santayana said. Apparent