Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-12 Thread Axil Axil
They say that there is nothing new under the sun. This applies to wet LENR. Back in the 1960’s Joe Papp used the wet LENR formula to blast a crater into the hardpan desert floor of the California desert. Engineering is the art of turning disadvantage tp your fullest advantage. Joe Papp did this by

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Peter Gluck
Thanks, dear Axil for mentioning my persistent, intensive and rather unsuccessful preaching for LENR+. Even such simple ideas as in my most recent writing wet CF systems CANNOT be made reproducible, CANNOT be ever scaled up and, ergo exist only for science saying firmly CF is real and works someti

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Axil Axil
DGT embraces Dr. Kim’s optical theory as the prime reaction mechanism in their reactor along with Bose-Einstein condensation. In the broadest terms, this optical theory postulates that EMF will catalyze nuclear reactions in elements, that is fusion reactions by enhanced screening of the coulomb ba

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Foks0904 . wrote: Unfortunately there remains very little evidence that hints at a > correlation between transmutations and excess heat. The Miley work has not > been replicated and remains ambiguous, albeit interesting. Results cited by > Krivit in Naturwissensch

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Foks0904 .
*I have read all the info on the Ni/H reactor that I can get my hands on, and that all produce transmuted elements, they don't use deuterium, and they don't produce tritium, the hallmark of deuterium fusion.* *The Ni/H reactor does not fuse deuterium to produce heat. Without a doubt, transmutation

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > > The paper that was critiqued was written in 1998, the paper that I > reference was produced in 2012. > > Maybe things have changed in that 14 year period; ya think? > This experiment has not changed much. The calorimetry has not changed at all, as far as I know. It still has

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Axil Axil
*"The critique is of a Ni bar experiment performed by Focardi, Habel, and Piantelli."* The paper that was critiqued was written in 1998, the paper that I reference was produced in 2012. Maybe things have changed in that 14 year period; ya think? I have read all the info on the Ni/H reactor that

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > I don't see a any criticism of Piantelli's experimental procedure in the > paper you provided. > The critique is of a Ni bar experiment performed by Focardi, Habel, and Piantelli. The technique is the same. Others including McKubre have critiqued the technique for similar reaso

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > It says ". . . energy production as measured by means of the external cell > surface." I guess that means they can measure sections of the external > surface. It is surprising to me that the heat from the bar still forms a > coherent pattern by the time it reaches the external surface.

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Axil Axil
I don't see a any criticism of Piantelli's experimental procedure in the paper you provided. The referenced paper covers the work of Focardi et al. And further, you have not provided a critical review of the particular Piantelli paper I referenced. So by default, the proof I provided stands true

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6id5Hf-xMWOYXVjekJCN1ZkQk0/edit?pli=1 > > > > In this research paper by Piantelli, Slide 27 PROVES that transmutation of > multiple elements from a nickel starting point is the cause of heat > production in the Ni/H reaction. > That is impressiv

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Axil Axil
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6id5Hf-xMWOYXVjekJCN1ZkQk0/edit?pli=1 In this research paper by Piantelli, Slide 27 PROVES that transmutation of multiple elements from a nickel starting point is the cause of heat production in the Ni/H reaction. Please supply references that contradict this exp

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Foks0904 . wrote: Jed I completely agree. Did you read the rest of my post? > I did. I was reiterating the points you made. Perhaps a bit redundantly. I thought I would mention Takahashi's anticorrelated neutrons and Ed's fractofusion hypothesis specifically. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Foks0904 .
Jed I completely agree. Did you read the rest of my post? On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Foks0904 . wrote: > > I believe Axil is saying that researchers have not discounted the >> existence of transmutations themselves, but rather have discounted the >> correlation betw

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Foks0904 . wrote: I believe Axil is saying that researchers have not discounted the existence > of transmutations themselves, but rather have discounted the correlation > between excess heat and transmutations. > I do not think there is much correlation, except between the heat and helium. Other

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Axil Axil
*independently replicated hey…* Experiments by Piantelli have shown a connection between transmutation and heat: 6 MeV is produced when a proton cooper pair is absorbed by a nickel atom. A 6 MeV proton is detected as an energetic particle emanation from a copper atom as seen in a cloud chamber a

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Foks0904 .
I believe Axil is saying that researchers have not discounted the existence of transmutations themselves, but rather have discounted the correlation between excess heat and transmutations. It is similar to claims made by Larsen and Krivit amongst others. Unfortunately there remains very little evi

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me reaffirm that Defkalion has every right to demand NDAs from their visitors. There is nothing unethical or unusual about keeping a product like this under wraps. However, they cannot expect people to fully accept the claims as long as they stick to this policy. They have a binary choice: sec

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: In my opinion, the data revealed in the two Defkalion papers for ICCF-17 > and ICCF-18 contains a wealth of information or all those who take that > information seriously. > I always take information seriously. But I have seen many, many experimental errors. Mostly unpublished.

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Axil Axil
In my opinion, the data revealed in the two Defkalion papers for ICCF-17 and ICCF-18 contains a wealth of information or all those who take that information seriously. There is however a blind spot to such data formed when it speaks against the long held and most cherished theories and predisposit

Re: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
I know little about the situation at DGT, and I am not inclined to pry into people's business. I do have two pieces of hard information which put things in a bad light: 1. They never paid me the grand they owe me. They are either broke or dishonest. 2. Some questions were raised about the flow ra

RE: [Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Analog Fan For anyone who has followed this [EEStor] fiasco over the years, it's an incredible example of inventor self-deception and lack of due diligence, coupled with lax Canadian markets which make it easy for predatory 'pump and dump' schemes. You got that

[Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Analog Fan
After many years, it looks like the EESTOR supercap fiasco is finally coming to the bitter end. Zenn just announced their third set of independent test results, and it is finally confirmed that the EESU doesn't work, as some have suspected all along. http://www.4-traders.com/ZENN-MOTOR-CO-INC-6