RE: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-13 Thread Jones Beene
The New Normal: A spatial paradigm which goes well beyond LENR. A few days ago, an effort was made to verbalize a strange and possibly Universal phenomenon which is associated not only with LENR but other energy anomalies. It relates to thermal gain in a way that seems to violate the Laws of

RE: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-13 Thread Jones Beene
BTW -the Ahuja paper first came to our attention 22 months ago (thanks to Horace and Fran), but to little fanfare: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg41705.html The last paragraph is interesting... Overall, the scientists predicted that this understanding of relativity's

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-13 Thread James Bowery
There's nothing normal about these gains. They're anomalous in the sense that they are not understood. If they're normal in any way whatsoever that means they are repeatable in at least a statistical fashion -- which means they are amenable to scientific discovery. As Ramsey said, even one well

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-13 Thread mixent
In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:44:40 -0500: Hi, [snip] Guys, Just a short update on my research: Guys, I am not a Nuclear Engineer so I fall short there but please accept me for who I am. 1) My research tells me LENR is basically atomic Hydrogen collapsing to a

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-13 Thread ChemE Stewart
Maybe some of that GeV went to those 6 or 7 additional dimensions of space all curled up... On Tuesday, November 13, 2012, wrote: In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:44:40 -0500: Hi, [snip] Guys, Just a short update on my research: Guys, I am not a Nuclear

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-13 Thread mixent
In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:54:12 -0500: Hi, [snip] Maybe some of that GeV went to those 6 or 7 additional dimensions of space all curled up... In that case, energy should be able to come from there too, and it would happen all the time, so we would have no law of

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-13 Thread ChemE Stewart
It does come back as Hawking radiation over a log period of time. All thermo laws obeyed. It can also annihilate with another like particle according to Feynman interactions and you get a pop. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Tuesday, November 13, 2012, wrote: In reply to ChemE

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-13 Thread ChemE Stewart
Biggest particle wins http://arxiv.org/abs/1011.3592 Same as when a comet particles meet up with the sun particle Like we will see next year right before grid melt on Earth. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Mat4dWpszoQdesktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMat4dWpszoQ No dirty snowballs involved. Stewart

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote Bottom line: it is looking like the new normal for chemistry is what was formerly 1COP2 and is not nuclear and not chemical - thus it can be called suprachemical. ...or infranuclear. ;-) harry

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Answer: gain, but LOW gain - and remarkably consistent long -term low-gain. In other words, the new normal. I am sorry but there is not the SLIGHTEST experimental evidence for this. I may not understand advanced physics but one thing I do have is

RE: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell Answer: gain, but LOW gain - and remarkably consistent long -term low-gain. In other words, the new normal. I am sorry but there is not the SLIGHTEST experimental evidence for this. Get some caffeine, or someone will think you have lost the encyclopedia.

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Get some caffeine, or someone will think you have lost the encyclopedia… cough, cough… after all, this is only the longest running (by far) validated experiment in the entire field. Fully replicated by NASA at two locations with same results. COP about

RE: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread Jones Beene
even a week. My contention stands - that when the criterion is for a month continuous operation in the multi-watt range, there is adequate evidence for low-gain only, and zero reliable evidence for long-term high gain. Jones From: Jed Rothwell Subject: Re: [Vo]:The new normal Jones

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-10 Thread ChemE Stewart
for low-gain only, and zero reliable evidence for long-term high gain. ** ** Jones ** ** *From:* Jed Rothwell *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The new normal ** ** Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Get some caffeine, or someone will think you have lost

[Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-09 Thread Jones Beene
Curious observation - funny in a sardonic way, but not completely humorous - and it can be called the new normal. To cut to the chase, the new normal is 1COP2 but non-nuclear (supra-chemical). To be explained. What do Ni-H experiments with potassium (or another spillover catalyst like

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-09 Thread Mark Gibbs
Exactly. [mg] On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: But no one is sure what how far you can go with rock solid COP of 1.5 ... in terms of a commercial item... Essentially that is Gibbs' point, no?

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Curious observation I find it interesting that you did not include the Patterson Cell. Any reason?

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-09 Thread Terry Blanton
Oh, I guess it is because of the lithium sulfate. I read too fast. On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:34 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Curious observation I find it interesting that you did not include the Patterson

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-09 Thread David Roberson
device temperature or fuel supply. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:34 pm Subject: [Vo]:The new normal Curious observation - funny in a sardonic way, but not completely humorous - and it can

Re: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-09 Thread David Roberson
available. Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:The new normal Exactly. [mg] On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: But no one is sure what

RE: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-09 Thread Jones Beene
Yes - I was specifically excluding Pd-deuterium, high gain, and nuclear ... as opposed to hydrogen, low gain and nickel. Thus Patterson, Storms, Swartz and many other who report much better COP primarily with Pd and deuterium were not overlooked. Swartz did do nickel experiments but generally -

RE: [Vo]:The new normal

2012-11-09 Thread Jones Beene
Dave, I did not make the main point of that post clear. There certainly could be a higher gain regime - or not. But the claims of Rossi are essentially meaningless. The major point to me in the big picture - and it is way beyond coincidence. is that many good and believable reports