In reply to grok's message of Tue, 5 May 2009 00:58:45 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>> I'm no rocket scientist either. My reactor would either use deuterium or
>> hydrogen, according to the reactions previously described here:-
>>
>> D + D -> He4 (with luck), otherwise D + D -> T + P
>>
ctric
utilities which generate a lot of CO2,
Mike Carrell
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As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com
mounted the barricade and roared out:
> >I know nothing about your reactor, Robin. If you feel like describing it
> >here, I wouldn't mind following along. But remember: I'm no rocket
> >scientist, like youse
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 20:55:19 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>I know nothing about your reactor, Robin. If you feel like describing it
>here, I wouldn't mind following along. But remember: I'm no rocket
>scientist, like youse all.
[snip]
I'm no rocket scientist either. My reactor would
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As the smoke cleared, thomas malloy
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>> Surely there has to be a method to sweep the plasma around and drink all
>> that energy up -- good, down to the last drop. Why not place rotating
>
> Kiril Chukanov has som
grok wrote:
Isn't there research on (tough!) materials which absorb hi-energy/
hi-intensity photons from across the relevant spektrum, directly into
their electron structures..?
--Mike Carrell:
Mills has explored many schemes for extracting energy from the pla
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As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com
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> >So at some point they give off x-rays -- before they give off gamma
> >radiation. Loox like the possibility of 'easy' CF from another angle
> >entirely.
>
> Easy CF fr
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 19:05:05 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>There we go. I can buy that.
>;>
>Now I need to understand that process a little more.
>
[snip]
You can get a quick intro from my web page at
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Hydrinos_explained.html when you are done with
that
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 18:54:45 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>So at some point they give off x-rays -- before they give off gamma
>radiation. Loox like the possibility of 'easy' CF from another angle
>entirely.
[snip]
Easy CF from another angle indeed. It's what my reactor is based on.
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> >Besides -- this configuration sounds sub-optimal to me, really. Does
> >this process actually require an unstructured plasma?
>
> ..perhaps not. In fact it may also b
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As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell
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> grok, the ideas for handling a plasma stretch over decades and I can't
> summarize them here.
Sure you can. Or someone can.
> In general, Mills' experimental work began w
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> >One thing I haven't understood about all this (because I only dabble
> >in this stuff): do the 'reduced' hydrinos regain energy from the
> >ambient environment, after
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As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell
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> Hydrinos can a) form hydrino molecules, b) catalyze H atoms, c)
> catalyze other hydrinos, and d) revert to H, with transfer of enough
> energy. They do not radiate nor abso
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 17:13:12 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>Besides -- this configuration sounds sub-optimal to me, really. Does this
>process actually require an unstructured plasma?
[snip]
..perhaps not. In fact it may also be what is going on in the "structured
plasma" that exists
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> >Isn't there research on (tough!) materials which absorb hi-energy/
> >hi-intensity photons from across the relevant spektrum, directly into
> >their electron structure
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 11:02:19 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>One thing I haven't understood about all this (because I only dabble in
>this stuff): do the 'reduced' hydrinos regain energy from the ambient
>environment, after having given up useful work to humans beings..? Or is
>this s
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As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell
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>> Isn't there research on (tough!) materials which absorb hi-energy/
>> hi-intensity photons from across the relevant spektrum, directly into
>> their electron structures..?
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As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com
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> I was thinking about the time that there is very little land mass in
> daylight, i.e. when the sun is over the Pacific.
I see. However, nobody is talking about a perf
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 11:54:13 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>Isn't there research on (tough!) materials which absorb hi-energy/
>hi-intensity photons from across the relevant spektrum, directly into
>their electron structures..?
>
[snip]
...yes. Icosahedral borides have a "self-healin
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As the smoke cleared, Jeff Fink
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> The concept of a world wide grid is practically an oxymoron. Whereas
> the electrical line losses of high tension transmission lines are
> economically acceptable over many hun
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 10:58:25 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>But, 'hydrino' tek aside: what would be the advantages of using hydrogen
>vs. molten salts here..?
[snip]
I'm sure this list is by no means exhaustive:-
Molten salts are highly corrosive, thus containment and maintenance a
In reply to grok's message of Mon, 4 May 2009 10:32:17 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>> While this is true, don't forget that about 70% of the surface area is
>> water. That makes collecting solar energy there more difficult
>> (particularly as one has to take severe storms into account).
>
>Who's talking ab
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As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell
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> MC:You have a closer understanding of the experiment that most on this
> list. The quantity of H2 flowing thorugh the cell is accurately metered
> as is the 'excess heat' gen
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> >My comment was in part to remind everyone of BLP technology. The 100 x
> >gain in energy yield from H is real and demonstrated years ago.
>
> That's fine, but it is
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As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell
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> My comment was in part to remind everyone of BLP technology. The 100 x
> gain in energy yield from H is real and demonstrated years ago. The
> potential COP boost is more tha
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As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com
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> One might expect any chemical battery to have a cost in the same
> ballpark as lead-acid batteries, and molten salt has the potential to
> be far cheaper, particularly
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As the smoke cleared, Terry Blanton
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> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, grok wrote:
>
> > Surely there must be a simple teknology in the pipeline which will
> > allow the storage of large amounts of electrical p
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> >Which is exactly why there are immediate gains for a world-wide energy
> >grid: there are no 'off-peak' hours, there. It's always 'High Noon'
> >_somewhere_ on the pla
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MC: see comments thus set apart. Mike Carrell
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In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 20:23:41 -0400:
Hi Mike,
[snip]
Re
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 17:55:33 -0500:
Hi,
One might expect any chemical battery to have a cost in the same ballpark as
lead-acid batteries, and molten salt has the potential to be far cheaper,
particularly where large volumes are used (cost of the containment goes
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 20:23:41 -0400:
Hi Mike,
[snip]
Reading between the lines, I would say that you don't like what I read between
the lines. ;)
>My comment was in part to remind everyone of BLP technology. The 100 x gain
>in energy yield from H is real and dem
ch could run its own electrolysis unit and
use any convenient water for fuel.
Mike Carrell
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In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 14:49:32 -040
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:22 PM, grok wrote:
> Surely there must be a simple teknology in the pipeline which will allow
> the storage of large amounts of electrical power on-site at any power
> generation site.
There is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-sulfur_battery
Terry
In reply to grok's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 15:22:30 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>Which is exactly why there are immediate gains for a world-wide energy
>grid: there are no 'off-peak' hours, there. It's always 'High Noon'
>_somewhere_ on the planet.
[snip]
While this is true, don't forget that about 70% o
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As the smoke cleared, Jones Beene
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> From: Terry Blanton
>
> > About 92% [transmission and distribution eff]
>
> Yes but looked at another way that is 8% loss which is on top of the
> thermal efficiency of th
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 14:49:32 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>Wind energy breakthroughBlackLightpower has demonstrated by water bath
>caolrimetry that the blacklight power reactions can extract from gaseous
>hydrogen 100 times the energy of combustion. This, plus improvements
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 3 May 2009 13:23:21 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>Yes but looked at another way that is 8% loss which is on top of the thermal
>efficiency of the plant, correct? IOW a coal plant operating at 40% thermal
>efficiency would suffer another 8% loss, compared to
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> About 92% [transmission and distribution eff]
Yes but looked at another way that is 8% loss which is on top of the thermal
efficiency of the plant, correct? IOW a coal plant operating at 40% thermal
efficiency would suffer another 8% loss, c
May 03, 2009 11:04 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough
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> blows strongly in the Prairie States). This is why solar makes sense,
> since even at $1 watt for the solar cell - the electricity costs 4-6
> times mor
advance
solar and wind energy strategies.
Mike Carrell
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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:02 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Wind energy breakthrough
This could be significant:
http://cleantechnica.com/2009/04/29/wind-turbine
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As the smoke cleared, Lawrence de Bivort
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> Virtually ALL cost-accounting ignores secondary and tertiary effects of
> an operation, even though some of these might easily outweigh the cost
> elements of the opera
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As the smoke cleared, Terry Blanton
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> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, grok wrote:
>
> > What _is_ the present efficiency of coal/hydro/nuclear power that is
> > now being delivered by hi-tension towers, BTW..
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:12 AM, grok wrote:
> What _is_ the present efficiency of coal/hydro/nuclear power that is
> now being delivered by hi-tension towers, BTW..?
About 92%:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission
Terry
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> .. does it make sense to design the windmill, and the wind farm - from
> the git-go to make only hydrogen, which is storable, even if not
> "easily storable" and transportable via pipelines (if they are designed
> to avoid embrittlement)?
And peop
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> blows strongly in the Prairie States). This is why solar makes sense,
> since even at $1 watt for the solar cell - the electricity costs 4-6
> times more than from a coal plant.
But is this the actual, real cost of coal power? Seems to me they're
h
This could be significant:
http://cleantechnica.com/2009/04/29/wind-turbine-output-boosted-30-by-breakt
hrough-design/#comment-71581
Another potential advance would be in converting the output of a windmill
into hydrogen in situ.
There are losses, but this allows nighttime wind energy to be sto
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