Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-02-01 Thread Terry Blanton
No, Harry it really does not. No more than it matters why cold fusion works. I was merely responding to a comment on this thread with my own hair-brained ideas. Regardless of *how* it works, the principles have now decided that they must throw down the gauntlet. Scrutiny is being brought to bea

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-02-01 Thread Harry Veeder
On 1/2/2008 11:30 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Jan 31, 2008 5:39 PM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> A regular poster to Vo, who will remain unnamed, may >> want to chime-in with an appropriate anecdote here, >> about a magnetic motor being developed which shows a >> much greater dT

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-02-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Jan 31, 2008 5:39 PM, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A regular poster to Vo, who will remain unnamed, may > want to chime-in with an appropriate anecdote here, > about a magnetic motor being developed which shows a > much greater dT than what JLN has shown... or not. Odd, I just fini

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
--- George Hathaway wrote: > "Although I could believe that a tiny amount of magneotcaloric effect is taking place in the Newman/Bedini/etc etc devices, I claim it would be undetectable certainly by any such method as Jean-Louis is using." Well - his results speak for themself, and they do to ma

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread George Hathaway
Esa, It is well known that "pulse" or "burp" charging of secondary (as well as primary batteries) can make the battery appear to accept more charge than conventional charging, and do a more efficient job of charging >when done properly<. This is due to several factors such as prevention of

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread George Hathaway
Jones, Although I could believe that a tiny amount of magneotcaloric effect is taking place in the Newman/Bedini/etc etc devices, I claim it would be undetectable certainly by any such method as Jean-Louis is using. Magnetic cooling of the type I presume you are describing requires a cyclic

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread thomas malloy
George Hathaway wrote: Thomas, I know of no "free energy" devices which originally claimed they became cooler while operating and which actually demonstrated this fact under controlled conditions. This includes Newman, Sweet, MEG and variants, Fogal "transistor" and many others. I'm afr

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
George, Yes. I absolutely believe that Naudin measured an actual and accurate (tiny) heat loss, and in a situation where there should have been a rather strong heating effect ... Is this remarkable? No! not really, and it does not verify the Newman motor as being an anomaly either, or cohering ZP

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread George Hathaway
Jones, If this is considered proper calorimetry, we're in serious trouble. I would suggest checking out http://fluidproperties.nist.gov/cvht.html for a NIST fluid calorimeter or even http://earthtech.org/capabilities/dual/ for example calorimeters in which one could have a high degree of co

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread Esa Ruoho
On 31/01/2008, George Hathaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I investigated the Newman device shortly after Hastings and > found no such thermal anomaly (although the apparent battery recharging > phenomenon was intriguing for a while until I realized what was actually > happening). > what did yo

Re: [Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread Jones Beene
--- George Hathaway wrote: > "I know of no "free energy" devices which originally claimed they became cooler while operating and which actually demonstrated this fact under controlled conditions." George, http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/NMac0709.htm

[Vo]:cold running

2008-01-31 Thread George Hathaway
Thomas, I know of no "free energy" devices which originally claimed they became cooler while operating and which actually demonstrated this fact under controlled conditions. This includes Newman, Sweet, MEG and variants, Fogal "transistor" and many others. None of these inventors has bothe