Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-04 Thread Alan Fletcher
I've been reading the LENR library ... (mainly looking at theory) and note that Duncan gave an "outsider's" view of cf history at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DuncanRanoutsider.pdf ICCF 15, 2009 (Of course ... he warns against media-release of scientific dicoveries ... ) - Original Messag

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: Estimates are that $200 M has been spent on cold fusion research in 22 > years. Just out curiosity, how do we know that number? Has there been a study?

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > I disagree. Terrible idea, terrible article. Estimates are that $200 M has > been spent on cold fusion research in 22 years. If that's not enough to > generate unequivocal evidence of *heat* from nuclear reactions in a > small-scale, table-to

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > SRI and the ENEA have done robust, long running, credible experiments for 20 > years, albeit at low output. Skeptics, the DoE and most of academia have > paid no attention to them. McKubre (paraphrased): It's illegal to make tritium in the Un

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:36 AM, David ledin wrote: Rob Duncan, vice chancellor of research at the University of Missouri going to establish a national research program that would help scientists study cold fusion . http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/dec/03/mu-research-chief- wants-cold-fus

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > Good idea, good article. I disagree. Terrible idea, terrible article. Estimates are that $200 M has been spent on cold fusion research in 22 years. If that's not enough to generate unequivocal evidence of *heat* from nuclear reactions in a smal

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > We need more robust, long running, high output, credible experiments. >> > > SRI and the ENEA have done robust, long running, credible experiments for > 20 years, albeit at low output. > You can't call something credible

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
strange it is not already done, and if it is a scam it is strange nobody official in the world (US,...), in europe, in italy/greece, having access to legal data there, signal the scam if one... I've asked to Areva about their opinion on LENR E-cat and Hyperion, and my message disapeared, yet the q

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 3-12-2011 21:19, Peter Heckert wrote: They should buy an e-cat and a hyperion and see if it works. I agree, but I don't think you can buy any Hyperion at all in the next two years, as Defkalion seems to be only a so-called "Technology Transfer Company". This means they either have no

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: > They should buy an e-cat and a hyperion and see if it works. > Sure. But how and when? I've been following Defkalion's forum and what they claim is completely unsupported by the slightest facts. And Rossi consistently resists any indepen

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.12.2011 20:57, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mary Yugo mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com>> wrote: We need more robust, long running, high output, credible experiments. SRI and the ENEA have done robust, long running, credible experiments for 20 years, albeit at low output. Skeptics, the DoE and mo

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo wrote: We need more robust, long running, high output, credible experiments. > SRI and the ENEA have done robust, long running, credible experiments for 20 years, albeit at low output. Skeptics, the DoE and most of academia have paid no attention to them. They could do another 20 years

Re: [Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread Mary Yugo
Good idea, good article. But at least at first, such a program should be focused on testing claims for existing phenomena and results and not on blue sky theorizing about how or why such reactions might take place. That would serve the country best, IMO. We have lots of theory. We need more rob

[Vo]:national research program for cold fusion

2011-12-03 Thread David ledin
Rob Duncan, vice chancellor of research at the University of Missouri going to establish a national research program that would help scientists study cold fusion . http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2011/dec/03/mu-research-chief-wants-cold-fusion-puzzle-solved/