Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-31 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:56:13 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Is there any evidence such things exist? There are three problems >with the small ones. The first is Heisenberg requires the half-lives >be very short. I seem to remember you showed this in a previous em

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-29 Thread Jones Beene
Horace Heffner wrote: there is a certain amount of logic there, for sure - and it is basically why I created an alternative premise: that being that the bound electron (2.095 eV) simply removes an acid proton from chemical "participation" for a short time frame - about one second. Participatio

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-29 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Howdy Vorts, There I was sitting at the table when they burst thru the bat wing doors , everybody talking at once about some guy named Gray... Thomas... Not only that, AFAIK, Gray was under a cloud. The D A in L A (?) indicted him on fraud. There is the matter of feasibility too, I talked to t

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-29 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 28, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:19:09 -0800: Hi, [snip] The idea of a low energy bound hydrex, faux neutron, hydrino, blah blah blah, acting like a neutron and drifting through the cloud of electrons about t

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:19:09 -0800: Hi, [snip] >The idea of a low energy bound hydrex, faux neutron, hydrino, blah >blah blah, acting like a neutron and drifting through the cloud of >electrons about the uranium atom is simply not credible. The binding >

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-28 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:08:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] >There is more than a cursory similarity between the lead-acid battery >presumed functionality and the SPAWAR functionality (Widom/Larsen >hypothesis) - assuming that some kind of enhanced or stimulated >beta-decay

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 28, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Jones Beene wrote: --- Horace Heffner wrote: The idea of a low energy bound hydrex, faux neutron, hydrino... acting like a neutron and drifting through the cloud of electrons about the uranium atom is simply not credible. The binding energy is too small. It's li

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-28 Thread Jones Beene
--- Horace Heffner wrote: > The idea of a low energy bound hydrex, faux neutron, hydrino... acting like a neutron and drifting through the cloud of electrons about the uranium atom is simply not credible. The binding energy is too small. It's like trying to hold down a roof in a tornado with an

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Aug 28, 2007, at 1:08 PM, Jones Beene wrote: For whatever reason, many experts seem to be marginalizing the Dufour (Spence) ideas, which are ironically based on mainstream underpinning (QED) when nothing else in LENR is based on such a firm theoretical footing. The idea of a low e

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-28 Thread Jones Beene
Stephen, There is simply not enough reliable information to answer your objections. Fortunately, several replication attempts on the basic concept are underway, but using differing approaches. Is it possible he suspected that the results with the batteries were directly related to the consum

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Interesting article but it does raise the "lead-acid battery red flag". (This will be the last "skeptical" reply I send for a while, I promise.) Jones Beene wrote: EV Gray was another one of those controversial inventors, who was either genius or scam artist, depending on one's POV, and other

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:36:31 -0500 (CDT): Hi, [snip] >Jones Beene wrote: > >> Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >> >> You might argue that "free energy" is always preferable to even cheap >> oil, but the practical problem with the Gray device is low battery >> life.

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-27 Thread Jones Beene
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >> You might argue that "free energy" is always preferable to even cheap oil, but the practical problem with the Gray device is low battery life. The longest mentioned run was 200 hours. How many man-hours of engineering would it take to increase that by an order of

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-26 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene wrote: Robin van Spaandonk wrote: You might argue that "free energy" is always preferable to even cheap oil, but the practical problem with the Gray device is low battery life. The longest mentioned run was 200 hours. How many man-hours of engineering would it take to increase th

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-26 Thread Jones Beene
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: I should read further before shooting from the lip. However if this pertains to the setup in the previous paragraph, why didn't you put all the info in the one paragraph? Haste. And trying to figure out what the story is with Mallory and the original device, and wh

Re: [Vo]:the Gray Matter

2007-08-26 Thread Jones Beene
oops. ... rather than correct the faulty and confusing power/energy/work etc. terminology - done in haste ... there will be a more authoritative report with better data coming shortly... (if all goes as planned) At that time, the motor was operated into a 10 HP dynamometer load at 1100 rpm.