Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-17 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: It is not sufficient to get measurable heat in one of these devices and not > see x-rays; it would be necessary to get high power densities. It is this > latter observable that I have yet to see correlated with low radiation > levels. > I did not say that as clearly as I meant to -- it

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-17 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Yes! They sure do assume that. So far, there has been practically no > evidence that cold fusion produces dangerous radiation. > I'm less concerned about radioactive byproducts (e.g., tritium -- although this is an excellent point I forgot abo

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-17 Thread Edmund Storms
On Aug 17, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Axil Axil wrote: If there is no neutrons, there will be no tritium. Pure protium will poduce no tritium. Yes, this is obviously true, Axil. The question is, How is the neutron formed? It can not be formed outside of the nucleus as a free neutron because this

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-17 Thread Axil Axil
If there is no neutrons, there will be no tritium. Pure *protium* will poduce no tritium. On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Eric Walker wrote: > > >> A laptop nowadays draws 50 to 100 W. I assume future ones will draw ~25 >>> W. Imagine a small but intense 50 W heat sour

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker wrote: > A laptop nowadays draws 50 to 100 W. I assume future ones will draw ~25 W. >> Imagine a small but intense 50 W heat source powering a >> > > thermoelectric chip, with a large radiator behind that to spread out the >> heat. That would be doable I think. >> > > While I'm symp

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: A laptop nowadays draws 50 to 100 W. I assume future ones will draw ~25 W. > Imagine a small but intense 50 W heat source powering a thermoelectric > chip, with a large radiator behind that to spread out the heat. That would > be doable I think

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
*The evanescent wave* There is an EMF power amplification factor of up to 10 to the 15 power experimentally demonstrated by nanolenzes formed by nanowires and nanoparticles. This is before the chemical probes that measure this power level are destroyed by the EMF originating from the “hot spot".

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: I suspect that the lower power products that are mentioned, such as a > laptop computer will still need connection to a power generation source > that is external. The electrical power they need requires the release of > far too much low quality heat for its local generatio

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread James Bowery
Of course, but I was responding to your, technically correct but, misleading statement "Even early into a cold fusion era there will be few uses for a megawatt generator." Its true that the there will be few such uses even early on, but one of those few will be very big early into the cold fusion

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
find better processes than we can imagine with our limited knowledge. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological Axil Axil wrote: So users of big process power from high grade

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 3:15 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological James Bowery wrote: Drop-in replacements for coal-burners in electrical power plants looks like a quick win if the ECat-HT can be made self-sustaining via

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread David Roberson
to the world and any additional major delays must be avoided. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Aug 16, 2013 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological So users of big process power from high grade heat are steel mills, cement

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: So users of big process power from high grade heat are steel mills, cement > plants, glass plants, petrochemical refiners, cargo ship, train engines, > earth movers, aircraft, trucks, autos, water desalination, buses, pumps, > mines... > Most process heat will come directly from

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: > Drop-in replacements for coal-burners in electrical power plants looks > like a quick win if the ECat-HT can be made self-sustaining via acting > cooling control. > For a few decades perhaps, but after that the power companies will be going out of business. They will not b

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
So users of big process power from high grade heat are steel mills, cement plants, glass plants, petrochemical refiners, cargo ship, train engines, earth movers, aircraft, trucks, autos, water desalination, buses, pumps, mines... On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:58 PM, James Bowery wrote: > > > > On F

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck wrote: > > >> Megawatts are better than kilowatts and kilowatts are better than >> milliwatts. >> > > Probably not in the long term. Most devices use ~100 W. In the future I > expect all power supplies to be self-contained, with

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Peter Gluck
I doubt 100W will heat your grand-grandson's house or drive4 the aircon but if you know it better... The Cold Fusion promise was for unlimited energy. Please teach me how to interpret he last sentence of the paper. Peter On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck wrote

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: > Megawatts are better than kilowatts and kilowatts are better than > milliwatts. > Probably not in the long term. Most devices use ~100 W. In the future I expect all power supplies to be self-contained, with no central generation or even household generators. I mean that eve

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jed, I'm always trying to make sharp distinctions, and the best. Megawatts are better than kilowatts and kilowatts are better than milliwatts. Perhaps each have their specific market however I have serious doubts for milliwatts- energy sources for the pacemakers of cardiopathic artists in the

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Axil Axil
What the Ni/H reactor does is to convert heat into concentrated electric and magnetic fields. Pure hydrogen is required to perform this function. The first step in this conversion process is to convert heat into dipole oscillations. Hydrogen helps to do this by trapping infrared photons that fall

RE: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread DJ Cravens
about have to be either in the 10 to 250 W range or the >4kW thermal range for existing off the shelf conversion. D2 Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:09:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Peter Gluck wrote:

Re: [Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: > I have just published: > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/why-pd-d-lenr-will-never-work.html > I think you are making distinctions that do not exist in nature. Cold fusion is cold fusion. The smallest Pd-D effect is probably the same as what Rossi observes. Research

[Vo]:the future of PdD LENR is not technological

2013-08-15 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/08/why-pd-d-lenr-will-never-work.html Time can and will show if I was right. Anyway, the mission of truth is to help problem solving and progress even it makes some people unhappy and even angry. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck