Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
"Iconoclastic" - Adj. Characterized by attack on the established belief structureor the institutions which uphold it. How cana nearby spiral galaxy contain a quasar whose light spectrum indicates that it is billions of light years away? It cannot if the normal, and almost universally held,

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I am not committed to big bang cosmology, but are there any non-big bang theories which predict the observed 2.7K cosmic background radiation? Harry

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Jones Beene
Harry, are there any non-big bang theories which predict the observed 2.7K cosmic background radiation? Many. You mention the fringes of one theory, which is just now emerging, in your second post. To the contrary of what they state in that piece, there is adequate if not convincing reason to

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Dewey Larson's Reciprocal System shows it as a necessary consequence, as well as gamma ray bursts and cosmic rays: http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/rs/cwkvk/index.htm http://www.rstheory.com/ No big bang. No black holes. No gravity waves. No magnetic monopoles. Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Michael Foster
Harry Veeder wrote: I am not committed to big bang cosmology, but are there any non-big bang theories which predict the observed 2.7K cosmic background radiation? Harry Actually, the prediction of the the big bang theory was a 25K background, but what's a 20-odd K discrepancy between

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Michael Foster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: I am not committed to big bang cosmology, but are there any non-big bang theories which predict the observed 2.7K cosmic background radiation? Harry Actually, the prediction of the the big bang theory was a 25K

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Thanks for the link. I had not heard of Dewey Larson. Harry Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dewey Larson's Reciprocal System shows it as a necessary consequence, as well as gamma ray bursts and cosmic rays: http://www.reciprocalsystem.com/rs/cwkvk/index.htm

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:59:07 -0800: Hi, [snip] Iconoclastic - Adj. Characterized by attack on the established belief structure or the institutions which uphold it. How can a nearby spiral galaxy contain a quasar whose light spectrum indicates that it is

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Grimer's message of Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:15:50 +: Hi, [snip] Some few observers (outside the mainstream) might consider this finding to make a 'prima facie case' that red-shift is NOT an accurate measure of distance, and that there is a very strong gravitational component to

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:44:27 -0500: Hi, [snip] I am not committed to big bang cosmology, but are there any non-big bang theories which predict the observed 2.7K cosmic background radiation? Harry IMO the 2.7 K is simply degraded starlight. After all, what

Re: Cosmo-Icono-clash

2005-01-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Do these other theories imply the size of the observable universe is different as well? Harry Jones Beene at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry, are there any non-big bang theories which predict the observed 2.7K cosmic background radiation? Many. You mention the fringes of one theory,