Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: The problem is that the outcome from a pseudo-random number generator over the full RNG cycle is fully deterministic, and it can be checked in advance that there will be no unexpected string of wins. This is Wins here

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 19, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: The problem is that the outcome from a pseudo-random number generator over the full RNG cycle is fully deterministic, and it can be checked in advance that there will be no unexpected string of wins. This is not true of

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
Some relevant links: http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/10936_616221_3 http://robison.casinocitytimes.com/articles/455.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slot_machine And a good RNG doesn't guarantee good application: http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/10936_616221_2

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-19 Thread Harry Veeder
Horace Heffner wrote: > > > The problem is that the outcome from a pseudo-random number generator > over the full RNG cycle is fully deterministic, and it can be checked > in advance that there will be no unexpected string of wins. This is > not true of true games of chance. I'll have to agree

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 19, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: This document is interesting, but it seems be stating the obvious. I do not think there are any educated people who gamble yet are unaware of these facts. I should think everyone knows casinos are wealthy because they always win in the end.

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: A winning pay-out is *expected*. Keeping records thus won't show a thing, because the expected is always happening. I do not follow what you mean here. Keeping a record ensures that the machine is paying out the expected amounts daily. (Assuming the record itself has n

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-19 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 19, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Here's a thought about use of pseudo-random number generators in gambling machines. The sequence of random numbers is predetermined once a seed is chosen. It is thus possible to select a seed in advance which guaran

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: Here's a thought about use of pseudo-random number generators in gambling machines. The sequence of random numbers is predetermined once a seed is chosen. It is thus possible to select a seed in advance which guarantees no payoffs until a certain point. In other words,

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-18 Thread Horace Heffner
Here's a thought about use of pseudo-random number generators in gambling machines. The sequence of random numbers is predetermined once a seed is chosen. It is thus possible to select a seed in advance which guarantees no payoffs until a certain point. In other words, it can be possible

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-18 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 18, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: UPDATE - FEBRUARY 16, 2006 An arbitrarily close approximation to an hysteresis free circuit (a circuit producing bits with information entropy approaching 1) can be obtained by XORing the outputs from mult

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-18 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Horace Heffner wrote: UPDATE - FEBRUARY 16, 2006 An arbitrarily close approximation to an hysteresis free circuit (a circuit producing bits with information entropy approaching 1) can be obtained by XORing the outputs from multiple independent circuits having hysteresis. The XORing c

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-16 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 16, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner and improved method of using a thermal amplifier to produce a random sequence of numbers. Amplifies have been used for this purpose for a long time I believe. I saw a reference to one in the 1950s. They sure have. The probl

Re: Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner and improved method of using a thermal amplifier to produce a random sequence of numbers. Amplifies have been used for this purpose for a long time I believe. I saw a reference to one in the 1950s. Anyway, Heffner wrote: In other words, both the clock timer and the measured inte

Entropy Compensation for Random Pads

2006-02-16 Thread Horace Heffner
Some may remember this being discussed on vortex in April 2000. An edited version and update has been posted to http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RandPad.pdf Entropy Compensation for Random Pads Bit wise random number generation is useful for one time pad cryptographic use, gaming