----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "vortex" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: Explantion for some caviation OU


> Thinking about Knuke's recent post, and the anomaly he experienced
> with unfortunate long-term health risks, I believe that I have an
> answer now and it does not involved neutrons, proliferation risks,
> nor the increased possibility of terrorism, as some of us
> feared... nor necessarily hydrinos - but instead a prevalent
> common household toxic gas- to wit: radon. Although radon is
> technically a gas, it is so heavy and active that it sticks like
> glue to many surface-charged dielectrics.
>
> The mechanism is as follows: Radon and other volatile radioactive
> species diffuse from the ground due to the natural decay of
> uranium and/or thorium which are ubiquitous in shale, granite and
> coal - or in the older ceramic tiles which were once used as a
> glaze (fired unrefined "yellow cake") which as Knuke mentioned,
> was prized for its color and was fairly common in ceramics before
> being removed from the marker (but not all kitchens). Surface
> shale is also ubiquitous in parts of Russia, where the these
> devices are said to work well.
>
> Soils with high levels of shale, granite, or where phosphate
> fertilizers are used can be radioactive (1-1000 or more ppm of
> actinides or 40K) but this won't necessarily be picked up by the
> standard CD GM detectors - plus- in the decay chain, the volatile
> species (aka "daughters"): isotopes of radon, xenon, polonium etc.
> have half life of maybe 10^10 times or more shorter than the U or
> Th. These will show up on any good lab rad-monitor, except the
> common CD variety which were made for wartime post-catastrophe
> use. When concentrated, even your civilian-defense monitor will
> pick it up.
>
> The answer to the Knuke-anomaly likely involves the concentration
> of radon and daughters on the surface of the tiles, possible from
> both the tile itself and the local soil degassing, and then the
> decay of these being accelerated in the cavitator. If you do not
> believe that this can take place, take a tissue and wipe your
> computer screen and then test with a sensitive meter.

I tried this with my CDV-700 which gives one click every five to ten seconds
as background.  After wiping a 21 in monitor and a TV screen with the
tissue, I got no change.  This seems pecular since I know that there are
houses within 12 mi with radon problems and mineable grade of U within 20
mi.

I still don't understand how Knuke got such a massive dose of radion in only
five sec!

Do you know if there was any residual contamination of his turbine parts
detectable after the incident?
You should
> get a surprisingly high reading, and you can multiply this by the
> surface area of the tiles in question and the time between tile
> cleanups, which in Knuke's case, may have been.... well, people
> who live in glass houses should not hurl housecleaning
> contumelies, so to speak
>
> And all you need to do to accelerated decay is to charge the stuff
> in a van de Graff. Don't bother to quote me the normal textbook
> garbage about  accelerated decay being impossible, as anyone can
> demonstrate it so easily  that it is now considered by most to
> have been planned disinformation, and a relic of the cold war era.
>
> Another related test which can be used to pinpoint the elemental
> source of radioactivity can be found online - as well as the
> important decay-curve files.  The test involves measuring the rate
> against the background, and then logging over time with
> datalogging software. The concentration of radon daughters on
> computer screens is caused by electrostatic attraction, and wiping
> the screen will concentrate this even more so that you can get
> several hundred CPM, and with the time-decay-curve you can find
> what isotopes are involved due to the short half-life, and you
> have almost proof-positive the radon source. There used to be
> tables for this process and instructions on the "Aware" site:
> http://www.aw-el.com/
> This is not an expensive meter, folks, and every garage
> experimenter should have this or better. My old one is a slightly
> better French Oritech model but it is small (smaller than a
> 'mouse'), inexpensive, accurate and reliable, and if you have an
> unused laptop, then you have data-logging built-in and can save
> about $10,000 over new lab equipment- which might have some added
> bells-and-whistles, but negative economic value.
>
> With the "legal" sources of radiation, which means thoriated, you
> should get readings of around 300-600 uR/hr for welding rods
> whereas the background rate is typically 10 uR/hr. A "hot" [i.e.
> not recently cleaned, computer screen may have up to 100 uR/hr or
> 10 times background, so your grandmother was correct that watching
> TV too close-up will make you go blind] I suspect that the sum
> total of Knuke's tiles was in the thousands and then the rate
> accelerated by cavitation, so he got a dose that may cause long
> term problems, hopefully not.
>
> As radon decays, it becomes charged by its own alpha emission. The
> charged atom will attach to small airborne particles called Aiken
> particles.  The particle then assumes the charge of the radon
> daughter, usually negative, as it already shed an alpha. Aiken
> particles become attached to many dielectrics, and especially
> those with an induced positive surface charge (cause by alphas
> migrating to the surface of the tiles. Your cat is probably
> purring contentedly because of this, and with a lifetime of less
> than 20 years, no problemo, as it is a slow-developing cancer...
>
> Radon is found in many unsuspecting locations, especially
> basements in "coal country," and in natural gas...and especially
> in the nation's Capitol in Washington D.C. (because of all the
> beautiful pink granite).
>
> A quantum of slow poetic justice for those bagmen, thanks to all
> that hard-rock, I'd say.
>
> Jones
>
>


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