Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-10 Thread Grimer
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:35:49 -0700 Jones Beene wrote: > In a curious coincidence (returning for a moment > to the even more scandalous subject of vehicles > powered by so-called WaterFuel), my source tells > me that the "fuel grade" of preconditioned water > he uses is "thick like syrup" after

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-09 Thread Grimer
Even more from the NYT article: == American and British scientists were skeptical at first, and interest grew slowly. But Mr. Deryagin's appearance at several meetings and the activity of a few English boosters prompted an increasing attention that burst in

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-09 Thread Grimer
This is priceless!!! 8-) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res= 9A00E2DE133BF933A0575BC0A967948260 ... Felix Franks, a British biophysicist and leading authority on the behavior of water,

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-08 Thread Grimer
At 05:30 pm 08/06/2006 -0400, Jed wrote: > Jones Beene wrote: > >> Even today, some consider that the episode was a "bad rap" >> and that there was something to it - "other than" >> mineral-leaching at work. But like the Inquisition, the >> mainstream squeezed "confessions" out of the perps, to

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-08 Thread Grimer
-- Cheers, Frank Grimer ..and many thanks to Jones for making this James Burkian connection between Polywater & WaterFuel.

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-08 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:33:59 -0700: Hi, [snip] >In a curious coincidence (returning for a moment to the even more >scandalous subject of vehicles powered by so-called WaterFuel), my >source tells me that the "fuel grade" of preconditioned water he >uses is "thic

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-08 Thread Grimer
>From Jones Beene Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:35:49 -0700 > Ref: From the Wiki entry: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywater > Polywater was a hypothetical polymerized form > of water that was the subject of much scientific > controversy during the late 1960s. The Soviet > physicist Nikolai Fedyak

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-08 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell That is not my impression from the Franks book. (Franks, F., Polywater. Cambridge, MA, The MIT Press, 1981) As far as I know, in the end the researchers themselves concluded that their initial findings were incorrect, and they retracted. Science

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-08 Thread Grimer
At 05:30 pm 08/06/2006 -0400, Jed wrote: >Several of the people who worked on probably water ... Or even walked on "probably water"... 8-)

Re: Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
[SECOND COPY. Something is wrong with eskimo.com, I think.] Jones Beene wrote: Even today, some consider that the episode was a "bad rap" and that there was something to it - "other than" mineral-leaching at work. But like the Inquisition, the mainstream squeezed "confessions" out of the perps, t

Polywater & WaterFuel

2006-06-08 Thread Jones Beene
You remember the so-called "Polywater" scandal forty years ago? It was one of the first times in which the "mainstream physics" establishment exerted the combined-silencing-power of higher-authority influence to squelch the laboratory research of a few quasi-competent scientists "on the fringe