Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Mark: ... ... and one can start by simply scanning all the comment sections of websites where a CF story ran, and summarize each skeptic's question or statement, and counter it with the facts.  Keep it short and sweet, with links to references... the list of Rossi's

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Now that's a good idea... and one can start by simply scanning all the comment sections of websites where a CF story ran, and summarize each skeptic's question or statement, and counter it with the facts. I have looked at previous compilations of

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: cold fusion is not a free lunch. I is a lunch you are paid to eat. Not me! *It* is a lunch you are paid to eat. this is how experts describe compact fluorescent light bulbs in Scientific American. their point was that not only to the balls consume less electricity but they're much

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-04-26 16:20, Jed Rothwell wrote: Rossi claims that the nickel will have to be changed out periodically, every six months or so. I doubt it. Not only the powder, it's the whole reactor vessel that has to be replaced periodically. In my opinion this is probably also a safety measure

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Not only the powder, it's the whole reactor vessel that has to be replaced periodically. In my opinion this is probably also a safety measure in order to avoid long-term problems due to prolonged exposure to heat, relatively high internal

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread Ron Wormus
So you don't believe the Ni is transmuted to Cu? Ron --On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:20 AM -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi claims that the nickel will have to be changed out periodically, every six months or so. I doubt it. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-26 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:20:36 -0400: Hi, [snip] Rossi claims that the nickel will have to be changed out periodically, every six months or so. I doubt it. If 50 cc is filled with Ni powder, and the density is half that of the solid metal, then there is enough

RE: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Jones Beene
This cartoon says it all, no? However, one contrarian slant on Jed's comment about particle detection, is that this may not be a net positive . although yes, it would literally crush skepticism. For that we would all be grateful. OTOH - we keep getting back to the problem of NRC approval,

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jones sez: ... OTOH - we keep getting back to the problem of NRC approval, or even UL approval. With proved particle detection and real fusion, then we are back to being years away from having the device approved in the USA. Adding more to the goose chase, let us not forget the fact that

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:48 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Adding more to the goose chase, let us not forget the fact that there are those who would like to denigrate the word fusion, and replace it with what they believe is a more accurate term: nuclear

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
I assume the Rossi device is producing cold fusion, the same as the Pd-D systems. Call it what you will, it is what it is. If it produces radioactive byproducts such as tritium, that fact will soon be known. I expect many laboratories will soon look closely and learn more about it than we have

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 04/25/2011 02:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: ... Big oil, big coal, nuclear power, wind power and other vested interests will wage all-out political war, saturating members of congress The opposition may win this political battle. Cold fusion may never be allowed. There are something

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The opposition may win this political battle. Cold fusion may never be allowed. . . . Big Oil's lobbyists could conceivably render the United States irrelevant to the world's energy future, but that's about it. Yes. Right. I should not have said never be

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Axil Axil
*Large international oil companies have little power over the oil producing nation states that they depend upon. They would like nothing better then to divorce their business plan away from OPEC.* * * *When a country gets it in their mind to get off oil, it can happen. Brazil’s ethanol industry

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *With the exception of the natural gas industry and the centralized electric industry, all cold fusion obstructive forces are unpopular, weak and can be overcome.* I think you are right. I hope you are right! Still, I expect severe opposition, especially

RE: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Mark Iverson
minor glitches, there will be no stopping further development. -Mark _ From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 5:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: With the exception

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Harry Veeder
...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 9:18:53 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Comic gets it right Have to disagree with Jed's conclusions as to the extreme level of opposition that this will face...   I don't think there is any situation in the history of modern economics that can compare

Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Have to disagree with Jed's conclusions as to the extreme level of opposition that this will face... Those are not conclusions so much as worst case scenarios. I think we should be prepared for a continuation of what we have seen for the past 22

RE: [Vo]:Comic gets it right

2011-04-25 Thread Mark Iverson
Fiction -- Reality vs Perception -Mark _ From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 7:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Comic gets it right Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Have to disagree with Jed's conclusions