RE: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
ill be getting second and third opinions from non-physicists. -Mark From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [mailto:orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 5:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Bout time for some to wake up and stop claiming as fact what is obviously not fact. What is fact is we do not know what is happening and until we do know what is happening there is no point in claiming what is and is not fact. What we know as fact: 1) It is called the Fleischmann and Ponds Ef

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread James Bowery
The "war" against the phrase "cold fusion" seems to derive from some sort of attempt at spin control on the whole affair. At some level, if the phrase "cold fusion" can be "debunked" then the physics establishment can save face in the eyes of the vast majority of the population. It is that concer

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Well said. It is what it is, the FPE which: 1) Generates excess heat. 2) Generates very little radiation. 3) Transmutes elements up and down the scale. Maybe call it the PSE (Philosopher's Stone Effect)? Nah calling it the FPE is good enough. BTW pass another box of hot buttered popcorn while

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > As far as I’m > concerned the war against the "fusion" word is nothing more than a petty > self-serving theoretical product placement war. It's all quite absurd actually. SK appears to be anti-semantic. A rose by any

RE: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Jed: ... > The researcher quoted here has it right: > > http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/29/lenr-researcher-refuses-to-abandon -fusion-term/ > "I feel it would be much better to allow people to use the terms > they are comfortable with. Let people use dozens of terms if

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
There have been many disputes in the history of cold fusion. They have been about theory, experimental results, and in some cases politics and personality. In my opinion, this dispute, as carried on by Larsen and Krivit, is the most absurd. It is the most pointless. I do not mean that theory is uni

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Harry Veeder
It is unfortunate that WL refuses to acknowledge the many difficulties associated with their own theory. harry On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > I am told by cold fusioneers (as WL calles them) that the WL theory > makes many wrong predictions. You will only hear from WL  th

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I am told by cold fusioneers (as WL calles them) that the WL theory makes many wrong predictions. You will only hear from WL the correct predictions. harry On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:38 PM, wrote: > Lewis Larsen considers some of the criticisms of LENR theory by CF > dogmatists ironic. > > http:

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
You can find it here, a google translation, which is what I used: http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?142-Frontiers-of-Cold-Fusion-Eng 2011/12/30 > Again, I am not sure. > > Looking at the slide on p.105 at JCF12 Abstracts at-- > > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2011/JCF12/JCF12Exte

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread pagnucco
Again, I am not sure. Looking at the slide on p.105 at JCF12 Abstracts at-- http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2011/JCF12/JCF12ExtendedAbstracts.pdf -- I see the reaction "59Ni + e- > 59Co + v + Q" I cannot read Japanese, but this looks like a "heavy electron" capture, but that is just a

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Krivit finally convinced me : LENR Researcher Refuses to Abandon "Fusion" Term that "neutron capture" (and subsequent decay to a proton) is NOT fusion, per wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_capture

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
No, Takashi used the weak force in the sense of finding a cross section for the reaction electron proton, but he laid a very harsh criticism on WL theory and make it clear the difference between the approaches. In fact, he didn't take WL seriously. 2011/12/30 > Daniel, you may be correct. > I

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread pagnucco
Daniel, you may be correct. I do not know. However, both Akito Takahashi and Hideo Kozima may regard W-L viable. See -- "Second “Cold Fusion” Theorist Cites Widom-Larsen Theory" http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/12/23/second-cold-fusion-theorist-cites-widom-larsen-theory/ Takahashi appears to

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

2011-12-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
I started with stage 2 of negation and went to 1... 2011/12/30 > Lewis Larsen considers some of the criticisms of LENR theory by CF > dogmatists ironic. > > > http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/cold-fusioneers-new-ploy-ad-hoc-redefinition-of-technical-term-fusiondec-30-2011 > > Too bad it's