RE: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:24 PM 1/25/2012, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: I was under the impression that the physical shape of Rossi's core was similar to what was used in DGT's Hyperion? More of a low-height, rectangular shape... I was going partly by : From: Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com

RE: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-26 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:58 AM 1/26/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I HATE it when I search for something in google and all I get are my own posts! (At least I'm consistent in my terminology!) But I came across an amusing 1890 calorimetric test: Tests on the efficiency of Westinghouse Converters

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-25 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Am I right in thinking that if the Hyperion is roughly cylindrical, then the heat flow between the inner and outer surfaces is calculated as in A hollow cylinder http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Heat_Transfer/Conduction#A_hollow_cylinder For a cylinder of length L : inner R1 at T1, outer R2 at T2

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system : PROPOSAL

2012-01-25 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:13 PM 1/25/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Am I right in thinking that if the Hyperion is roughly cylindrical, then the heat flow between the inner and outer surfaces is calculated as in A hollow cylinder http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Heat_Transfer/Conduction#A_hollow_cylinder For a

RE: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-25 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system Am I right in thinking that if the Hyperion is roughly cylindrical, then the heat flow between the inner and outer surfaces is calculated as in A hollow cylinder http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Heat_Transfer/Conduction

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Robert Lynn
Convection and radiation will tend to equalise temperature inside the reactor cavity pretty quickly regardless of where the heat source is within the cavity. Page 4,5 of Dekaflion's Hyperion product details pdf from november shows a cross-section with a horizontal cylindrical geometry and lists

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: As far as I can tell, isoperibolic (I haven't found a formal definition of the term yet -- what the heck IS a peribole?) calorimetry assumes that the entire system being tested is fully enclosed in the calorimeter. It is often called isoperobol

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:26 PM 1/24/2012, Robert Lynn wrote: Convection and radiation will tend to equalise temperature inside the reactor cavity pretty quickly regardless of where the heat source is within the cavity. Page 4,5 of Dekaflion's Hyperion product details pdf from november shows a cross-section with a

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:51 PM 1/24/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Thanks for the education !! Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I strongly recommend multiple thermocouples, both inside and outside. I also recommend an IR camera in this case to be sure the outer wall temperature is reasonably uniform without

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: As far as I can tell, isoperibolic (I haven't found a formal definition of the term yet -- what the heck IS a peribole?) calorimetry assumes that the entire system being tested is fully enclosed in the calorimeter. Storms'

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:03 PM 1/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: IR is a good idea. Weren't there some IR movies of FP cathodes? How many cameras would one need (I'm not sure I'd trust a mirror). The field-of-view could include a few reference temperatures : ice, boiling, calibrated heater element. If you

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Thanks for the education !! My pleasure. Once a teacher . . . The atmosphere here certainly here improved thanks to Prof. Beaty's Extended Time Out. Is the internal temperature even needed? I say get as many temperatures as you can get. The more the

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:19 PM 1/24/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: I believe they want professional organizations. I'm a professional! All we need to do is organize!

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:19 PM 1/24/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: I believe they want professional organizations. I'm a professional!  All we need to do is organize! I have emailed our office in Greece to see if there is any interest in

RE: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:19 PM 1/24/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: I believe they want professional organizations. I'm a professional!  All we need to do is organize! Oh well, so much for that idea! Getting the Collective organized would be

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Oh well, so much for that idea! Getting the Collective organized would be more difficult that herding cats... :-) I am a catherder. I manage a group of 18 engineers of various disciplines. You are

RE: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:18 PM 1/24/2012, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Getting the Collective organized would be more difficult that herding cats... But this is a HYPERION, test not an eCAT test.

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:14 PM 1/24/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: If you put two cyclindrical Hyperions side by side, separated by a couple of feet, I think you could get full surface coverage with 6 IR cameras (Viewed end-on Top,Bottom,Left,Right radially plus one axially at each end: Front,Back).

Re: [Vo]:Problem with flow calorimetry in Defkalion system

2012-01-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: IR is a good idea. Weren't there some IR movies of FP cathodes? Here is a video from SPAWAR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb9V_qFKf2M