Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-27 Thread R C Macaulay
Not to worry Horace, Todays national news reports that 16 Ethanol plants filed for bankruptcy and another 15 are likely to close in the USA alone this year Richard, - Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Vortex-L" Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:59 PM Sub

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-27 Thread Edmund Storms
We have seen this approach many times in the past. When this government is given two choices, it will always pick the least intelligent one. Hopefully, the next administration will reverse these decisions. Ed Horace Heffner wrote: I'm hopefully not given to apoplexy, but this just about did

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell wrote: When your are promoting a technology that may lead to covering square miles of land in our thirst for energy, it is well take a look at the environmental consequences of doing so. *Not* doing so got us where we are. Plus, I believe there is plenty of private and state lan

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-27 Thread Edmund Storms
Every "normal" person is in favor of protecting the environment, Mike. Its the way it is done or the hypocrisy shown by the administration that is so stupid. For example, drilling in the coastal waters or in Alaska is all right even though the harm to the environment is obvious. But, covering a

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-27 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
lands. Lawrence -Original Message- From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects No need for apoplexy, don't blame the administrators, they did not make the rules and Con

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-27 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Meanwhile watch Blacklight Power over the next few years. Utility-scale reactors are on their ajenda. Hydrogen from water. If that happens, all bets are off, including cold fusion. Why they plan to make hydrogen I do n

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-27 Thread rvanspaa
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:39:09 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The informaltion about Nanosolar with printed PV with 14% efficiency looks >most interesting, but you need to deploy a few square miles to find the >'gotchas' through wind, sand and rain. [snip] Note that 14% is t

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-27 Thread rvanspaa
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:59:33 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Why they >plan to make hydrogen I do not know. Why not just react the stuff in >a fuel cell and make electricity. [snip] I think the idea of using Hydrogen is as a transport fuel. My question is why not use their

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-28 Thread Nick Palmer
I've put peripheral input into environmental assessments in the past. For something like the South Western deserts of the U.S., I'd say, as a rule of thumb, that if a maximum of no more than 20% of the area was given over to solar plant that that would be acceptable. 80% would be left semi prist

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-28 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [snip] I think the idea of using Hydrogen is as a transport fuel. My question is why not use their solid fuel reactor in a vehicle powered by a steam turbine? MC: Such is certainly a possibility, but would require a total redesign of a

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-28 Thread Harry Veeder
Considering _just_ their reflectivity, would big farms of solar panels contribute to global warming or reduce it? Harry

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-28 Thread Mike Carrell
- Original Message - From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects Considering _just_ their reflectivity, would big farms of solar panels contribute to global warming or red

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Freezes Solar Energy Projects

2008-06-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jun 28, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: Considering _just_ their reflectivity, would big farms of solar panels contribute to global warming or reduce it? Solar panels increase direct solar heating or the earth by the combination of conversion of sunlight to energy which ultimatel