On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint <
zeropo...@charter.net> wrote:
> Mary:
>
> If you have a PayPal acct, I will gladly donate $20 to the cause…
>
> ** **
>
> Just so the people funding the effort and the person performing the tests
> all agree beforehand,
>
> Can
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:31 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Yo: Peter Heckert! Is a 0.1 mm gap a problem or not?
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Mary Yugo wrote:
>
>>
>> I'll tell you but you won't do it. Get a counterc
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Horace Heffner wrote:
>
> Mary Yugo wrote:
>
>
>> I found some heat exchangers -- anyone know if one of these is identical
>> or equivalent to Rossi's? If so, I will consider sending one to Jed. What
>> may hold me back is that however the T out thermocouple pla
Mary Yugo wrote:
I found some heat exchangers -- anyone know if one of these is
identical or equivalent to Rossi's? If so, I will consider sending
one to Jed. What may hold me back is that however the T out
thermocouple placement issue resolves, it doesn't help that much
with verifyi
Mary Yugo wrote:
> I found some heat exchangers -- anyone know if one of these is identical
> or equivalent to Rossi's? If so, I will consider sending one to Jed. What
> may hold me back is that however the T out thermocouple placement issue
> resolves, it doesn't help that much with verifying
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Mary Yugo wrote:
>
>>
>> I'll tell you but you won't do it. Get a countercurrent heat exchanger
>> and hook up the primary input to a good healthy flow of dry steam.
>
>
> If you purchase one and ship it to me, I will try it. My address is at
Nachricht
Von: Jed Rothwell
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Datum: 09.12.2011 03:54
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Yo: Peter Heckert! Is a 0.1 mm gap a problem or not?
> Peter Heckert wrote:
>
> One thermocouple will be in close metallic contact to the resistor and the
> > other will be is
Peter Heckert wrote:
One thermocouple will be in close metallic contact to the resistor and the
> other will be isolated by a piece of duct tape.
>
Ah, ha. Maybe you mean the other will be attached to the metal with a piece
of duct tape. That would be interesting. A sub-standard way to attach it
Jed sez:
...
> Rossi is actually damn good at what he does. People are so in the habit
> of criticizing him and trashing him and making all these outrageous claims
> they fail to notice that he is a first-rate plumber.
It's good to know that Rossi has a useful skill for which he can fall back
on
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> Nope. The video was taken as he unwrapped the tape and revealed the
> location of the TC. When the TC was revealed, Rossi stopped and pointed at
> it, and held the picture for a moment. Someone uploaded that frame, showing
> his finger point
Mary Yugo wrote:
> I have to admit there is so much information scattered about on the
> internet that I sometimes lose track of some.
>
Too true. I should gather more in the RossiData folder.
> All I remember about the thermocouple picture was that it was taken
> after the device was open
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
It seems to me that while you do not say it outright, as if you are
> trying to be polite in mixed company, you are inferring that Jed will
> end up botching the job, or worse, cheat.
It is very likely I would botch the job. That is to say, I would end up
do
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> Rossi did a much better job mounting the TC that I did, as you see in the
> video. Yugo claims she cannot see where it is mounted. The location seems
> clear to me. Someone uploaded a still photo from the video showing the
> location. I don'
Peter Heckert wrote:
I will use a resistor in an aluminium housing as a heat source and two
> thermoelements and two instruments.
> One thermocouple will be in close metallic contact to the resistor and the
> other will be isolated by a piece of duct tape.
>
Duct tape is thick and a good insulat
>From Peter,
> Jed, if I find the time tomorrow during work, I do the test myself.
> This is better. I fear your test will not be correct.
It is good that you are performing the experiment yourself and that
you will post the results. We all would love to see the results.
OTOH, what is behind thi
Jed, if I find the time tomorrow during work, I do the test myself.
This is better. I fear your test will not be correct.
I will use a resistor in an aluminium housing as a heat source and two
thermoelements and two instruments.
One thermocouple will be in close metallic contact to the resistor
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Mary Yugo wrote:
>
>>
>> I'll tell you but you won't do it. Get a countercurrent heat exchanger
>> and hook up the primary input to a good healthy flow of dry steam.
>
>
> If you purchase one and ship it to me, I will try it. My address is a
Mary Yugo wrote:
>
> I'll tell you but you won't do it. Get a countercurrent heat exchanger
> and hook up the primary input to a good healthy flow of dry steam.
If you purchase one and ship it to me, I will try it. My address is at
LENR-CANR.org.
- Jed
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>
> Okay, so tell me how to do it INCORRECTLY. I shall try it using the worst
> method you can think of, and we will see if your incorrect method makes a
> significant difference.
>
I'll tell you but you won't do it. Get a countercurrent hea
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> Prove it. Do a test and prove it.
>
Sorry Jed, that's a fair amount of work and it would be for very little
reassurance because the experiment was so loose, there were many other
known and unknown ways, already alluded to, that Rossi coul
Peter Heckert wrote:
> I know what happens when a transistor is not firmly connected to the
> heatsink.
>
How does that relate to a thermocouple connected to a pipe? What kind of
surface are you attaching to, of what composition? What are the temperature
differences you measure with the transis
Mary Yugo wrote:
>
> There is no problem in measuring temperature on a pipe in general
> especially if the thermocouple is properly bonded to the pipe and somewhat
> insulated from the surroundings.
>
I have shown there is no problem even if the thermocopule is improperly
bonded. With a Band Aid
Am 08.12.2011 22:49, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
So what are you saying? Is there a problem with a 0.1 mm gap, or is there
not? Are you asking me to waste my time doing a test that will not prove
anything?
I have never asked you to do this. It was your wish.
It is a simple pro
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> If you have a good reason to believe there is a problem with measuring
> temperature by putting a thermocouple on a pipe, please tell us what it is.
>
There is no problem in measuring temperature on a pipe in general
especially if the therm
I was planning to do this test anyway, to find the temperature difference
between a copper pipe and the water temperature. Just curious.
This will be on the hot water pipe.
- Jed
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