Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-09 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/09/2009 08:52 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:09 PM, William Beaty wrote: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Titanium dust oxidizing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_rotor "When operating in sandy environments, sand hitting the moving rotor blades erode

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: > All I get from the above is "We're sorry, your search returned no results... > Please try again." Stupid government web sites. Try this: http://www.onr.navy.mil/~/media/Files/Funding%20Announcements/BAA/08-011.ashx Terry :-)

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-09 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:19 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM, William Beaty wrote: Or in other words, if we use a sandblaster on titanium, do we get the glow? Perhaps. According to this article: http://www.onr.navy.mil/02/baa/docs/BAA%2008-011_ONRBAA%2008-011.pdf the a

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-09 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:09 PM, William Beaty wrote: On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Titanium dust oxidizing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_rotor "When operating in sandy environments, sand hitting the moving rotor blades erodes their surface. This can damage the rotors; the

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-09 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM, William Beaty wrote: > Or in > other words, if we use a sandblaster on titanium, do we get the glow? > Perhaps. According to this article: http://www.onr.navy.mil/02/baa/docs/BAA%2008-011_ONRBAA%2008-011.pdf the answer is "yes". Terry

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-08 Thread William Beaty
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Horace Heffner wrote: > Titanium dust oxidizing. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_rotor > "When operating in sandy environments, sand hitting the moving rotor > blades erodes their surface. This can damage the rotors; the erosion > also presents serious and costly ma

RE: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-08 Thread Jones Beene
Good point. The analogy was to what is called "suction cavitation" which can happen with vacuum pumps. However, there must still be a liquid vapor present for that to happen. But this is in dry desert, correct ? There isn't enough water vapor for "suction cavitation" unless the turbulence of the b

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-08 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/08/2009 10:18 PM, Jones Beene wrote: The sound level is certainly intense from helicopter blades... not ultrasonic, but sonoluminescence does not demand ultrasound. Yellow is a characteristic color of salinity and many sandy deserts are highly saline. Instead of sand, per se, the emissi

RE: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-08 Thread Jones Beene
The sound level is certainly intense from helicopter blades... not ultrasonic, but sonoluminescence does not demand ultrasound. Yellow is a characteristic color of salinity and many sandy deserts are highly saline. Instead of sand, per se, the emission could be caused by cavitation in saline air.

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-08 Thread Steven Krivit
cavitation??? At 01:15 PM 12/8/2009, you wrote: Dust impact? Glow discharge? Dust contaminates the N2O2 plasma? Bright yellow glow from helicopter rotors http://www.michaelyon-online.com/the-kopp-etchells-effect.htm (from http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/realitycarnival.html) (

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-08 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:15 PM, William Beaty wrote: Dust impact? Glow discharge? Dust contaminates the N2O2 plasma? Bright yellow glow from helicopter rotors http://www.michaelyon-online.com/the-kopp-etchells-effect.htm (from http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/realitycarnival.htm

Re: [Vo]:helicopter electrostatic glow

2009-12-08 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 8, 2009, at 12:15 PM, William Beaty wrote: Dust impact? Glow discharge? Dust contaminates the N2O2 plasma? Bright yellow glow from helicopter rotors http://www.michaelyon-online.com/the-kopp-etchells-effect.htm (from http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/realitycarnival.htm